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Ahaus, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1037 km
2001
used
sheet width 2550 mm plate thickness 25,0 mm pre-bending 20,0 mm diameter of upper rolls 300 mm side roll diameter 220 mm diameter of lower rolls 220 mm total power requirement 11,0 kW weight of the machine ca. 8.000 kg dimensions of the machine ca. 3750 x 1660 x 1680 mm ** New price ~ 90.000 euros Cvfjenly Furnishing: - hydraulic 3-roll bending machine - with conical bending device - including 1x CENTER sheet metal support * electr. / hydr. can be moved via the controls - Hydraulic folding s...
sheet width 1860 mm plate thickness 0,75 mm pre-bending ja B7zqdstl upper roll diameter 68 mm work speed 2 m/min length of draw-in 500 mm diameter of lower rolls ca. 90 mm weight of the machine ca. 700 kg dimensions of the machine ca. 2,45 x 0,7 x 1,1 m Electric 380 Volt Special reflector plate bending machine with automatic curve control (templates) with asymetric roller arrangement, hydraulic rear roll adjustment and three roll drive. During automatic operation sequence a sensor valve o...
Ennepetal, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1082 km
2012
used
sheet width 1550 mm plate thickness 3,5 mm Qcqo2vpn pre-bending 3 total power requirement 2,2 kW weight of the machine ca. 1,2 t required space 2,3x0,85x1,1 m
Düsseldorf, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1053 km
1991
used
sheet width 2000 mm plate thickness 13 mm pre-bending 7 upper roll diameter 250 mm diameter of lower rolls 250 mm total power requirement kW weight of the machine ca. 9 t Bjq8wbpux3 dimensions of the machine ca. 7,5 m
Willich, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1027 km
used
sheet width 2500 mm plate thickness 3 mm Bozuovfz2z pre-bending . total power requirement kW weight of the machine ca. 4 t dimensions of the machine ca. 5x2x1,5 m
Korschenbroich, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1038 km
1975
used
sheet width 3100 mm plate thickness 7,7 mm pre-bending weight of the machine ca. 4,4 t Gcxlwtn
sheet width 1250 mm plate thickness 5,5 mm pre-bending 5,0 mm roll diam. toproll 140 mm min. dia. 210 mm engine output 2,2 kW turning speeds 5,7 U/min weight 1365 kg range L-W-H 2.020 x 900 x 1.200 mm Furnishing: - 2 central rollers driven by an electric motor - Upper beam can be swiveled out - Conical bending device - foot switch - self-braking main engine - CE mark / declaration of conformity including special equipment: - Motorized rear roller adjustment Beoampu9lt - hardened rollers - di...
Bünde, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1138 km
1985
used
sheet width 2540 mm plate thickness 3 mm pre-bending 3 mm diameter of upper rolls 150 mm Drive 4 kW weight of the machine ca. 2 t dimensions of the machine ca. 3,25 x 0,9 x 1,13 m Condition: ready for operation Electric 380 Volt Foot switch f. Rechts & Linkslauf Asymmetrical roller arrangement, crowned rollers, Rear roller adjustment and bottom roller adjustment by handwheel, Starting and finishing rounds in the machine, electr. Safety control with emergency stop wire, top roller can be...
Ennepetal, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1082 km
2020
new
sheet width 1050 mm plate thickness 3,3 mm pre-bending / total power requirement 1,1 kW weight of the machine ca. 1080 kg Sheet width: 1050 mm Sheet thickness: 3.3 mm O9qs7 Roller diameter - top: 110 mm Roll diameter - un: 110 mm Total power requirement: 1.1 kW Machine weight: 1080kg Machine width (mm): 850 Machine length (mm): 1820 Machine height (mm): 1150
Krefeld, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1037 km
2019
new
sheet width 1300 mm plate thickness 4,5 mm pre-bending - diameter of upper rolls 90 mm diameter of lower rolls 120 mm 2,2 kW weight 660 kg dimensions of the machine ca. 2,0 x 1,2 x 1,4 m Btiobxua • unused 3-Bowl-Bending machine, • enables conical bending by adjustment of the lower rolls, • operation by foot pedal, • hardened rolls,
Willich, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1027 km
1979
used
sheet width 3100 mm plate thickness 16 mm weight of the machine ca. 8 t Bozteuqatm
Leipzig, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1414 km
1977
used
sheet width: 3000 mm plate thickness: mm pre-bending: 16 bending capacity max. - round: 22,6 mm feed:: m/min distance between columns: mm roll dia. top roll: Ø 300 mm Fh8lugt roll dia. bottom roll: Ø 300 mm feed speed: m/min. working pressure: bar Total power requirement: kW weight of the machine ca.: ca. 17,0 t dimension machine xH: 6,3 x 2,0 x 2,2 m
sheet width 1550 mm plate thickness 2,0 mm roll diam. toproll 90,0 mm engine output 1,5 kW bending speed 6,0 m/min weight 580 kg range L-W-H 2130 x 1200 x 700 mm Furnishing: - motor-driven asymmetrical 3-roll round bending machine - hardened rollers - manual folding warehouse for quick removal of the workpiece - Profile inlets i.d. Rollers - Double foot switch for R / L run and emergency stop button - Conical bending device L9jjf87d - rear roller manually adjustable - electr. Safety device
sheet width 1290 mm Nlonx plate thickness 5 mm pre-bending ja roll diameter 120 mm roll speed 1 - 6 m/min total power requirement 1,1 kW weight of the machine ca. 825 kg Asymmetry roll arrangement, pre-bending ist possible. This new machine is in the following sizes obtainable: working length from 1040 until 2540 mm, max. plate thickness ( 400 N/mm² ) from 1 until 6,5 mm. We are distributor only for Germany. Machine dealer with own stock of 2500 m².
sheet width 2050 mm plate thickness 3 mm pre-bending Dxokfxrz total power requirement 2,2 kW weight of the machine ca. 1,35 t dimensions of the machine ca. 2820x850x1150 m
Ennepetal, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1082 km
2021
new
sheet width 1270 mm Owvgp plate thickness 1,5 mm pre-bending 1 roll diam. toproll 75 mm roll diam. bottom roll 75 mm roll speed 6 m/min total power requirement 1,1 kW weight of the machine ca. 0,55 t Motor driven machine with non symetric roll configuration.
sheet width 3150 mm plate thickness 24 mm pre-bending 16 mm roll diameter 455 mm total power requirement 30 kW weight of the machine ca. 40 t dimensions of the machine ca. m Berp3xc9fy motorized 2-roller-drive hydraulical bearing motorical adjustment of the down rolls with extended roll ends for profile rolls (profile rolls not included)
Leipzig, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1414 km
used
sheet width: 1100 mm plate thickness: 0,88 / 1,0 mm pre-bending: 0,8 distance between columns: mm roll dia. top roll: siehe Beschreibung mm roll dia. bottom roll: siehe Beschreibung mm dimensions LxWxH: 3-Walzen: 1,6 x 0,55 x 1,3 m dimensions LxWxH: 2-Walzen: 1,6 x 0,3 x 1,1 m total power requirement: 0,75 + kW Combination of 3-roll and 2-roll bending machine. 3-roll bending machine: Bhqle3jn8m - sheet width 1100 mm - sheet thickness 0,88 mm - Ø top roller 56 mm x 1080mm - with lock - Ø bottom...
sheet width 2050 mm plate thickness 4,5 mm max. plate thickness 4,0 mm anbiegen roll length 2050 mm min. dia. 210 mm roll diam. toproll 140 mm weight 1530 kg range L-W-H 3220 x 1200 x 900 mm Nlodx Furnishing: - Upper and lower roller electr. driven - Upper roller can be swiveled out - Conical bending device - Asymmetrical roller arrangement - self-braking main engine - separate control and operating panel - Safety line - foot switch - Operating instructions in German - CE mark / declaration o...
sheet width 1290 mm Boutq0hy9z plate thickness 6 mm pre-bending ja roll diameter 140 mm roll speed 1 - 6 m/min total power requirement 2,2 kW weight of the machine ca. 1120 kg Asymmetry roll arrangement, pre-bending ist possible. This new machine is in the following sizes obtainable: working length from 1040 until 2540 mm, max. plate thickness ( 400 N/mm² ) from 1 until 6,5 mm. We are distributor only for Germany. Machine dealer with own stock of 2500 m².
Bottrop-Grafenwald, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1046 km
2021
new
sheet width 1500 mm plate thickness 4 mm pre-bending 3 mm number of rolls 4 Walzen diameter of upper rolls 150 mm roll diam. bottom roll 130 mm speed 6 m/min total power requirement 3,3 kW weight of the machine ca. 2,47 t dimensions of the machine ca. 3350 x 1200 x 1210 m Basic equipment: - Conical bending device - Swiveling top roller - Electrically adjustable rear roller - Conical bending device - driven top roller - Pre-bending device - brake motor - Safety device emergency leash - CE cert...
Bending capacity 55 mm Bending 40 mm Delivery time approx. 2 months from order placement bending capacity: 55 mm Bending: 40 mm Bi0zjke3pr Bending length: 3,100 mm roller diameter: 450 mm Engine power: 52 kW Length: 6.650 mm width: 2.800 mm height: 2.200 mm Weight: 25.000 kg Specially designed for thick materials where space is limited on the machineDuring operation, the plate maintains its horizontal position, allowing the material to move more easilyPossibility to reduce the distance between t...
gebr. 3-roller manual round bending machine make FASTI model 102 - 10 -1,5 Machine no.: 00102014 useful length 1020 mm sheet thickness 1,5 mm roller Ø 65 mm O8c9h outer dimensions: Length 1500 mm width 600 mm height 1000 mm Weight approx. 190 kg Asymmetrical roller arrangement Top roller with folding groove bottom roller with eccentric infeed conical rounding by inclination of the rear roller
Leipzig, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1414 km
1994
used
sheet width: 1500 mm plate thickness: mm pre-bending: plate thickness: ca. 3,0 mm distance between columns: 1645 mm roll dia. top roll: Ø 110 mm roll dia. bottom roll: Ø 110 mm weight of the machine ca.: auf Anfrage t dimension machine xH: 2,5 x 0,6 x 1,0 m further technical features: - bending roll adjustment course 100 mm Bht3mpgo Operation takes place via control panel.
Ahaus, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1037 km
1979
used
sheet width 1020 mm plate thickness 1,5 mm Uz8jfx9r roll diam. toproll 55 mm engine output manuell kW weight ca. 100 kg range L-W-H 1200 x 500 x 1100 mm Furnishing: - manual bending machine - with asymmetrical roller arrangement - manual adjustment of the lower roller - manual adjustment of the rear roller - hand crank - Swiveling top roller, with folding bearing
Bünde, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1138 km
1997
used
sheet width 1010 mm plate thickness 1 mm pre-bending ja diameter of upper rolls 50 mm diameter of lower rolls 55 mm weight of the machine ca. 155 kg dimensions of the machine ca. 1,6 x 0,4 x 0,4 m Condition: very good Manual bending machine with asymmetric roller arrangement, swing-out Top roller, conical bending by tilting the back roller and Longitudinal grooves. The sheet thickness refers to a strength of the Sheets of 380 N / mm². Machine dealer with own stock of 2500 m². Buxbbs8pxy
Bottrop-Grafenwald, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1046 km
2021
new
sheet width 2000 mm Brxbttqabx plate thickness 3 mm pre-bending 2 mn number of rolls 4 Walzen diameter of upper rolls 130 mm roll diam. bottom roll 130 mm speed 5 m/min total power requirement 3,3 kW weight of the machine ca. 3,4 t dimensions of the machine ca. 3,9 x 1,39 x 1,4 m Basic equipment: - Conical bending device - Swiveling top roller - Electrically adjustable rear roller - Conical bending device - driven top roller - Pre-bending device - brake motor - Safety device emergency leash -...
Bending capacity 60 mm Bending 45 mm Delivery time approx. 2 months from order placement Bending capacity: 60 mm Bending: 45 mm Bending length: 2,550 mm roller diameter: 450 mm Engine power: 52 kW Length: 6,100 mm width: 2.800 mm height: 2.200 mm Weight: 23.200 kg Bi0zjtwcds Specially designed for thick materials where space is limited on the machineDuring operation, the plate maintains its horizontal position, allowing the material to move more easilyPossibility to reduce the distance between t...
Matelica (MC), Italy Italy
(dealership location)
1922 km
ready for operation (used)
BENDING LENGTH: 2550 mm SHEET METAL THICKNESS: 6 mm PRE-BENDING THICKNESS: 5 mm SIDE ROLLS DIAMETER: 190 mm CENTRAL ROLL DIAMETER: 190 mm POWER: 4 kW WEIGHT: 3200 Kg OVERALL DIMENSIONS: 4400 x 920 x 1200 mm Bg9jhb3q0r PRICE: On demand
sheet width: 3000 mm plate thickness: mm pre-bending: 16 bending capacity max. - round: 20 mm feed:: Blechvorschub: 1 - 4 m/min distance between columns: 3.260 mm Bo09pq8b3f roll dia. top roll: Ø 380 mm roll dia. bottom roll: Ø 360 mm feed speed: 1 - 4 m/min. working pressure: ca. 190 bar Total power requirement: 30 kW weight of the machine ca.: ca. 17,0 t dimension machine xH: 6,3 x 2,0 x 2,2 m Application: cylindrical round bending, conical round bending A hydraulic motor type SAI M2-300 is ...
sheet width 1050 mm plate thickness 3,3 mm pre-bending 3,0 mm roll length 1050 mm roll diameter 90,0 mm min. dia. 130,0 mm engine output 1,1 kW weight 570 kg range L-W-H 1.800 x 800 x 1.130 mm Furnishing: - Asymmetrical 3-roll bending machine with motor drive - hardened rollers - Motorized rear roller adjustment - Upper roller can be swiveled out - Conical bending device - self-braking main engine - digital display - foot switch Beoanmiqhw
Bünde, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1138 km
1980
used
sheet width 3040 mm plate thickness 7 mm pre-bending ja roll diameter 225 mm main drive 11 kW back roll setting 4 kW weight of the machine ca. 5,3 t dimensions of the machine ca. 4,4 x 1,15 x 1,47 m Beocr7w8g3 Condition: ready for operation Electric 380 Volt Foot pedal Light barrier control German quality product with asymmetrical roller arrgement and pre-bending, conical bending by tilting the rear roller and bottom roller via manual tooth coupling. Working area secured by photoce...
Bottrop-Grafenwald, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1046 km
2021
new
sheet width 2500 mm plate thickness 4 mm pre-bending 3 mn number of rolls 4 Walzen diameter of upper rolls 180 mm Bly3ozkwpl roll diam. bottom roll 150 mm speed 5,0 m/min total power requirement 5,5 kW weight of the machine ca. 3,8 t dimensions of the machine ca. 4,4 x 1,39 x 1,4 m Basic equipment: - Conical bending device - Swiveling top roller - Electrically adjustable rear roller - Conical bending device - driven top roller - Pre-bending device - brake motor - Safety device emergency leash...
Bending capacity 4 mm Bending mm Delivery time approx. 12 weeks from order placement Oqiyt Bending capacity: 4 mm bending length: 2.050 mm roll diameter: 140 mm motor power: 2,2 kW length: 3.200 mm width: 750 mm height: 1.000 mm Weight: 1.650 kg 3 rollersAsymmetrical roller arrangement - with pre-bending 2 driven rollers by means of brake motorTop roller can be swung out to the frontForward/reverse runningConical rounding by inclined position of the rear rollersMovable control panelOptions:Harde...
Matelica (MC), Italy Italy
(dealership location)
1922 km
ready for operation (used)
BENDING LENGTH: 1050 mm SHEET METAL THICKNESS: 5 mm Bg9jhlnwos UPPER ROLL DIAMETER: 130 mm SIDE ROLLS DIAMETER: 130 mm CENTRAL ROLL DIAMETER: 130 mm BENDING SPEED: 8 m/min POWER: 2,2 kW WEIGHT: 1200 Kg OVERALL DIMENSIONS: 1900 x 700 x 1000 mm NOTE: TEMPERED ROLLS; OUTER PEDAL BOARD PRICE: On demand
Leipzig, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1414 km
1975
used
sheet width: 2500 mm plate thickness: 7,5 mm pre-bending: 4,5 daylight opening: 200 mm distance between columns: 2570 mm roll dia. top roll: 1 Stück Ø 200 x L: 2550 mm Hufjqgehc roll dia. bottom roll: 2 Stück Ø 200 x L: 2550 mm weight of the machine ca.: 5,0 t dimensions LxWxH: 4,7 x 1,6 x 1,8 m total power requirement: 12,5 kW other technical features: - upper roller: chain drive, with hinged bearing, adjustment travel of the roller vertical 130mm motorized - lower roller: gear drive, adjustmen...
sheet width 1270 mm plate thickness 2,5 mm roll length 1270 mm roll diam. toproll 90,0 mm engine output 1,1 kW bending speed 6,0 m/min weight 520 kg Lmpijo09 Furnishing: - motor-driven asymmetrical 3-roll round bending machine - hardened rollers - manual folding warehouse for quick removal of the workpiece - Profile inlets i.d. Rollers - Double foot switch for R / L run and emergency stop button - Conical bending device - rear roller manually adjustable - electr. Safety device
Technical details sheet width 3100 mm plate thickness 60 mm pre-bending 50 total power requirement 90 kW weight of the machine ca. 53 t Additional information Used 3-roll hydraulic bending rolls Capacity rolling: 3100 x 60mm Capacity pre-bend: 3100 x 50 mm Top roll dia: 610 mm Side rolls dia: 520 mm Bpyuyoggnn Power output: 90 KW Machine weight: 53 tons approx Equipped with: cone rolling, extra top roll dia 500mm, vertical sheet support, front and rear lateral sheet supports. Machine is in ex...
Bottrop-Grafenwald, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1046 km
2021
new
sheet width 2500 mm plate thickness 3 mm pre-bending 2 mn number of rolls 4 Walzen diameter of upper rolls 150 mm roll diam. bottom roll 130 mm speed 6,0 m/min total power requirement 4,0 kW weight of the machine ca. 3,33 t dimensions of the machine ca. 4,35 x 1,21 x 1,2 m Basic equipment: - Conical bending device - Swiveling top roller Brxb7ogzwy - Electrically adjustable rear roller - Conical bending device - driven top roller - Pre-bending device - brake motor - Safety device emergency lea...
Bending capacity 2 mm Bending mm Delivery time prompt, subject to prior sale bending capacity: 2 mm bending length: 1.550 mm roll diameter: 90 mm Op0bb roller speed: 6 mm/min motor: 1,5 kW length: 2.130 mm width: 700 mm height: 1.200 mm Weight: 580 kg Asymmetric roller arrangement With pre-bend2 rollers driven by brake motor Motorised rear roller infeedDigital displaySwivelling top roller, to the frontConical roller device Double foot switch for right/left rotation Bottom and rear roller with wi...
Technical data: Bhgmgf3hqe -Manufacturer: Binmak -Type LBS 1050x130 -Country of origin: Turkey -Bj. 2020 -working area approx. 1050x5,5mm -round rolling up to 5,5mm possible -the rollers are hardened -with digital display -with electric rear roller -suitable for conical rolling -with foot pedal -Electric approx. 2.2 kw -own weight approx. 1220Kg -roller diameter: approx. 130mm -machine with cast iron housing -Laterally swivel out top roller -Mobile control panel and foot pedal separate from the ...
sheet width: 1080 mm plate thickness: 1,25 mm Fb7ssa9 pre-bending: distance between columns: 1200 mm roll dia. top roll: Ø 63 mm roll dia. bottom roll: Ø 63 mm weight of the machine ca.: auf Anfrage t dimensions LxWxH: 1,9 x 0,6 x 0,9 m further details: - upper roll can be swing out - operation via hand wheel
sheet width 1550 mm plate thickness 4,5 mm pre-bending 4,0 mm roll length 1550 mm 2rgn9y min. dia. 190 mm roll diam. toproll 130 mm engine output 2,2 kW bending speed 5,3 m/min weight 1360 kg range L-W-H 2.320 x 900 x 1.200 mm
Bending length 1020 mm Sheet thickness 2 mm Bm33eldsxx Roller diameter 60 mm Drive power 0,75 kW Dimensions L x W x H 1700 x 1050 x 1100 mm Weight approx. 250 kg Accessories / Special features: - Swivel-out top roller - Manual bending - Wire insertion grooves incorporated at the sides - Electric foot switch with EMERGENCY STOP - CE conformity Siegfried Volz Machine Tools Rüschebrinkstr. 151-153 D - 44143 Dortmund - Wambel
Bottrop-Grafenwald, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1046 km
2021
new
sheet width 3000 mm plate thickness 4 mm pre-bending 3 mn number of rolls 4 Walzen diameter of upper rolls 200 mm roll diam. bottom roll 180 mm speed 6,0 m/min total power requirement 5,5 kW weight of the machine ca. 4,85 t dimensions of the machine ca. 4,9 x 1,39 x 1,4 m Basic equipment: - Conical bending device - Swiveling top roller - Electrically adjustable rear roller - Conical bending device - driven top roller Bly3rpfjdu - Pre-bending device - brake motor - Safety device emergency leas...
Bending capacity 2.5 mmBending mmDelivery time approx. 2 months from orderBending capacity: 2.5 mmBending length: 1,270 mmRoll diameter: 90 mmLength: 2,300 mmWidth: 700 mmHeight: 1.250 mmWeight: 450 kgasymetric roller arrangement 2 rollers driven by brake motor Rear roller feed with handwheel swing-out upper roller Conical roller device Double foot switch for right-left rotation Lower and rear roller with wire insertion grooves Operating instructions in GERMAN or ENGLISH: hardened rollers € 650,...
Motor 3-roller round bending machine Fabr. Remote access type 40.10 Masch. # 544/11 year 1991 Technical data: Working length 1020 mm maximum sheet thickness 1.25 mm Shaft diameter 56 mm 2 working speeds of 5.8 / 11.6 m / min. 8wzlhjtwq Power 0,3 / 0,45 kW Weight approx. 175 kg dimensions CA. 1540 x 550 x 1000 mm used, in good condition
3-roller round bending machine ORM 2070 x 140 Technical specifications: Special equipment included in the price: motorized bottom roller adjustment hardened rolls motorised rear roller adjustment Digital display Plate width 2070 mm Sheet thickness 5.0 mm max. Bend sheet thickness 4.0 mm Roll length 2070 mm Roller diameter 140 mm Weight 1730 kg Dimensions L-W-H 3230 x 880 x 1100 mm Engine: 2.2 KW Equipment: upper and lower roller electrically driven D7af3abgm Upper roller swivels out Conical bend...
Ahaus, Germany Germany
(dealership location)
1037 km
1978
used
sheet width 1550 mm plate thickness 4,0 mm roll diam. toproll 120 mm side roll diameter 130 mm total power requirement 2,5 kW weight of the machine ca. 2200 kg dimensions of the machine ca. 1800 x 500 x 1200 mm Furnishing : Pbktf - heavy / robust electric 3-roll bending machine - electrical height adjustment of the top roller - Electric right / left running of the rollers - manual folding warehouse * with manual transverse position of the top roller * for removing the workpiece / pipe - separ...

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