Used Heavy Duty Cnc Lathe for sale (16,015)

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2000, Technical details Turning Speeds 30 - 3.000 RPM Bar passage 160 mm Chuck diameter 305 mm Swing diameter over bed 700 mm Swing diameter via support 480 mm Turning Diameter 550 mm Turning Length 1050 mm Spindle passage 102 mm Lsdpfx Amszagqnorjac Spindle Bore 125 mm Spindle nose A2-8 Spindle power 16 kW Rapid Travel Speed X-Axis 16.000 m / min Rapid Travel Speed Z-Axis 20.000 m / min Travel -X Axis 362 mm Travel -Z Axis 1105 mm Max. Rod diameter 91 mm Quills Morse taper MT 6 Number of tool stations 12 pc Qty of live tools 3 pcs

Condition: good (used), VICTOR VTURN-46 CNC HEAVY DUTY SLANT BED LATHE WITH FANUC SERIES O-T CONTROL UKUK 4 Jaw Ø505mm Chuck. Maximum Turning Ø730mm. Standard Turning Ø520mm. Distance Between Centres 1,750mm. Axis Travel 'X'=365mm, 'Z'=1,650mm. Rapid Traverse 'X'=15m/min, 'Z'=12m/min. Spindle Speed 1,500rpm (30kW Motor). 10 Station Turret. S/No. MB-1193. DESCRIPTION With Coolant System, Chip Conveyor, Filtermist F21/8 Mist Extraction Unit, Tool Setting Arm, 3 Jaw Ø445mm Hydraulic Chuck, Tailstock, 2 Steadies, Foot Switches, Signal Tower, Large Quantity Of Jaws, Tool Blocks & Boring Bar Sleeves. Overall Dimensions L6,200 x W2,500 x H2,500mm. Weight 12,800kg. Lodpfx Amjx Naqnerjac

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1979, functionality: fully functional, Swing over bed 2000mm Swing over carriage 1700mm Turning lenght 8000mm Max. weight of workpiece in centers 80 ton Max. weight of workpiece in centers and steadies 100 ton Main motor power 150kW Spindle speed (3 ranges) 0,5-160rpm 4-jaws independent chuck dia. 1700mm Min. clamping dia. 170mm Max. clamping dia. 1400mm Dia. of tailstock quill 450mm Bed width 2280mm Height of bed 650mm Special equipment: Lodpfoyy Nx Nex Amrsac - 4-jaws chuck dia. 1700mm - tool system: double shelf toolpost - steady rest dia. 200-600mm - steady rest dia. 600-1100mm - open steady rest up to 1600mm Total weight of the lathe 110 tons

Year of construction: 2013, condition: good (used),  Plasma cutting and extraction table, dimensions 2.500 x 6.000 mm.  Gantry bridge.  Carriage with servo-drives (to position the gantry bridge in X-direction).  Machine track, length 8 m.  HEB450 profiles for the foundation of the machine track, 8 m.  Plasma cutting unit Hypertherm HPR 400XD, 1 pcs.  Plasma bevel cutting unit, including automatic height control system.  Fume extraction unit Filtercube 4H for plasma cutting unit. Laedpfxetp Dhpj Amrsc  Oxy-fuel cutting torch, 3 pcs.  Automatic height control system IHT M4000 CAP for oxy-fuel cutting unit, 3 pcs.  Torch suspension for oxy-fuel torch (motor driven).  Torch suspension Single Drive for oxy-fuel torch, 2 pcs (automatic torch positioning).  Laser pointer (to align and position the torch).  Computer control system (consisting of an industrial PC and a control panel).  Control software 'VACAM Machine Edition' (including VaCad and VaNest software and online support).  Automatic nesting software Sigmanest "Powerpack" (including 3 days of training for max. 3 persons at Voortman Holland (excluding travel costs and board and lodging) and 1 day online-support).  Emergency stop with stop cord.  Year of build: 2013.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1972, turning diameter over bed 1650 mm turning diameter over slide rest 1350 mm turning length 10000 mm turning speeds 1,4 - 280 U/min greates pass round over bed 1580 mm center height over square guideway 825 mm bed length 13.350 mm bed width 1.120 mm spindle diameter in front bearing 260 mm spindle bore 82 mm upper head travel 500mm tailstock quill diameter 200 mm max. workpiece weight between centres 10.000 kg weight of the machine ca. 25,5 t Power 45 KW The machine is a first-hand purchase, is free from defects and is in very good condition. In 2023, the headstock was overhauled; this included replacing the main spindle bearings, chrome plating and reworking the main spindle and bottom wheel (bearing seat). The guideways are also in very good condition, considering their age. Lodpjy S Duvefx Amreac Accessories - Feed guard Equipment - 3-axis digital display - 1 x faceplate - 1 x roller stand - Chip conveyor (Kabel Schlepp 300/100)

Condition: used, Craven 2000mm x 8000mm Heavy Duty Lathe 2000mm swing over bed 1500mm swing over saddle 8,000mm between centres Main drive 60kW, Lajdpfxjx Hp Iws Amroc 40 ton load capacity Spindle speeds 2 – 152 rpm Steadies 2000mm Bed extension

Condition: used, turning diameter over bed max.: 4000 mm turning diameter over slide rest . mm turning length 7500 mm speed 0-750 u/min The tech. Data are manufacturer or operator information and therefore non- binding. We reserve the right to prior sale; Our terms and conditions of sale apply exclusively. About us More than 400 of our own machines in stock Over 15,000 m² of storage space, 70 t crane capacity Ljdpfx Amoyqt Hkerjac More than 10,000 items and accessories for your workshop If you are interested in selling machines, production lines, or your business, please contact us. You can find further offers on our website. Tours are possible by appointment. We look forward to your visit. Your Markus Hirsch Team

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2000, machine/vehicle number: 990101, total length: 6,400 mm, total width: 2,200 mm, total height: 2,300 mm, overall weight: 18,500 kg, Heavy Duty Lathe Seiger SLZ 1200 x 3000with Siemens Sinumerik 810D Cycle Control (Teach-In)The heavy duty lathe Seiger SLZ 1200 x 3000 is equipped with a Siemens Sinumerik 810D cycle control (Teach-In). The machine was most recently used as a faceplate and frontal lathe and therefore operated without a tailstock and without steady rests. However, the machine can still be structurally equipped with appropriate steady rests or a tailstock and used for classic center work.Configuration with AC main drive, large faceplate, hydraulic unit, separate control cabinet, and 2 chip conveyors.Working AreaDistance between centers: 3,000 mmSwing diameter over bed: 1,200 mmSwing diameter over cross slide: 850 mmCross slide travel: 620 mmBed width: 750 mmSpindleSpindl e nose: DIN 55027 size 11Spindle diameter front bearing: 190 mmSpindle bore: 104 mmSpeed range: 5 – 900 min⁻¹Max. torque: 6,000 NmMain DriveDrive power: 37 / 52 kW (100% / 60% duty cycle)FeedX-axi s feed force: 24,000 NZ-axis feed force: 16,000 NRapid traverse X: 7 m/minRapid traverse Z: 4 m/minTool HolderTurning tool cross-section: 40 × 40 mmElectrical DataSupply voltage: 400 VFrequency: 50 HzMax. current consumption: 200 AWorkpiece Weights(Manufacturer specifications for standard configuration)Between centers without steady rest: 5,000 kgBetween centers with 1 steady rest: 6,000 kgBetween centers with 2 steady rests: 7,000 kgFlying in faceplate: 1,800 kgChip Conveyor2 x AME Chip ConveyorsManufacturer: AME GmbH, EmsdettenType: S8 300 Tlg. 63Year of manufacture: 05/2016Not Included:TailstockSteady restsNoteThe machine was most recently used as a faceplate or frontal lathe. Therefore, neither a tailstock nor steady rests are currently available. The machine is particularly suitable for machining large disc, ring, and flange workpieces. A later retrofit for use between centers is fundamentally possible. Turning diameter max.: 850 mm Control: • Siemens Sinumerik 810D Weight approx.: 18,500 kg Dimensions (LxWxH) approx.: 6400 x 2200 x 2300 mm Serial number: 990101 Laedpfx Aezdd E Rsmrjc Tip width: 3000 - mm Year of construction: 2,000 Condition: in working order Terms of payment: 100% prepayment before pick-up Terms of delivery: From foundation under power: No

Condition: ready for operation (used), Broadbent Heavy Duty Lathe 1041mm x 10,000mm Year approx. 1973. Swing over bed 1041mm (41”) Swing bin gap1575mm (62”) Distance between centres 9300mm (30’ 6”) Spindle bore 115m (4 ½”) Spindle speeds (18) 3.3 – 360 rpm Spindle motor 30 HP or 40 HP (To be confirmed) Tailstock 6 MT Imperial Metric screw-cutting with change gears. 36” Faceplate with 4 adjustable jaws, Ledpfjv I T Ewox Amrjac 54” Faceplate, Taper turning attachment, Power feed to top slide, 2 x 18” 3 point steadies, 24”/28” Steady.

Condition: used, turning diameter 3.200 mm turning diameter modified: 2.400 mm turning diameter over slide 3.000 mm turning length max. 15.000 mm control Sinumerik 840 D Siemens workpiece weight max. 80.000 kg work accuracy (up to) 0,01 mm turning speed range - main spindle max. 50 min/-1 weight of the machine ca. 154,4 t dimensions of the machine ca. 20,7 x 6,0 m Heavy Duty Lathe ZERBST - DXP 5 / W15x15000 - measurement precision: < 0,01 mm Retrofit 2009 / 2012: - 2009: Control system upgrade to Sinumerik 840D - 2012: - New main gearbox, incl. main spindle drive - Installation of holding brake, incl. electrical integration - Modification and optimization of cylindrical roller bearings/bearings - Modernization: Control and safety technology Ledpfx Aswtrz Hsmrjac

Condition: used, Technical details: turning diameter over bed: 1040 mm turning diameter over support: 720 mm centre distance: 5400 mm center height over bed: 540 mm control: Siemens 828D CNC mit shop turn turning dia. in gap: 1300 mm length of gap: 640 mm Ljdpfsu Ix Rpsx Amrsac spindle bore: 152 mm revolution per minute: 3,5...1000/ 4 steps U/min feed:: x-Achse: 37,24 (m/min) m/min feed:: z-Achse: 21,91 (m/min) m/min force of feed longitudinal: x-Achse: 6,44 (KN) N feed force Z - max.: 17,2 (KN) N tailstock taper MT: MK 6 tailstock quill stroke: 300 mm total power requirement: ca. 30 kW weight of the machine ca.: 14,1 t space requirement approx.:: L:7,7xB:1,7xH:2,0 m CNC Lathe with shop turn Geometric overhaul is in procedure. Equipment: - headstock Morse 6, travel of spindle sleeve 300mm - thread cutting possible (metric thread, inch threads, module threads) - multi quick steel holder swiveable 360° - 3-jaw lathe chuck Ø=630mm - chuck protection - 2 steady rests (Lynettes) (1x fixed + 1x fixed open) - 4 pcs tips for tailstocks - 5 x multi quick change steel holder for chisel - 1 x drill chuck 16mm + 2x drills with MK-cone sleeves 68,5mm & 24,75mm - 1 lot self constructed clamping means Accessories: - face chuck Ø=800mm (adaptation necessary) - CNC turning with shop turn - your benefits at first glance: - flexible programing via graphic interactive (without DIN/ISO knowledge) or text programming with contour definition and cycle support - user friendly operation through practical set up -and measuring operations, clearly arranged tool managment and 3D-Simulation - increase of productivity via supporting PC-Software for work preparation without machine assignment *

Condition: used, HEIGHT OF CENTERS 700 LENGTH BETWEEN CENTERS 12000 TURNING DIAMETER ON THE BENCH 1400 MM TURNING DIAMETER ON THE SOCKET 1760 MM TURNING DIAMETER ON THE CARRIAGE 960 MM BENCH WIDTH 700 MM NR SPEED 27 SPINDLE SPEED 3 - 750 RPM SPINDLE HOLE 200 MM Laedpfsrzt Eksx Amrec TAILSTOCK QUILL DIAMETER 120 MM TAILSTOCK CONE ATTACHMENT 6 CM TAILSTOCK TRAVEL 380 MM RAPID ON THE CARRIAGE CHUCK DIAM. 500 MM NR 01 FIXED REST NR 01 STEADY REST

Condition: used, CENTER HEIGHT 800 MM DISTANZA OF THE CENTERS 3000 MM MAX DIAMETER TURNABLE ON BED 1570 MM MAX TURNABLE ON THE CARRIAGE 1120 MM BED WIDTH 700 MM WEIGTH ADMIT BETWEEN CENTERS 6000 KG Laedpfxerzt Haj Amrec SPINDLE SPEED 8 - 350 mm SPINDLE BORE 102 MM TAILSTOCK : DIAMETER QUILL 135 MM STROKE 300 MM NOSE ATTACHMENT 80 METRIC MOTOR POWER 25 HP PLATFORM 1200 MM DRO HEIDENHAIN 2 AXIS SQUARE TOOL TURRET RAPID FEED PROTECTIONS ON THE SPINDLE AND GUIDES

Condition: refurbished (used), Year of construction: 1984, The lathe has undergone a Retrofit 2025 and is in perfect condition. It has been geometrically overhauled. The bed has been reground, and all guides have been scraped. The headstock and tool post have been disassembled into their individual components, cleaned, and reassembled. Everything has been stripped of its old paint and repainted with a new powder coating. A measurement report is included. The machine weight is 4000 kg. The original documentation and extensive accessories are included. 1 pallet containing approximately 13 Multifix C holders with turning tools is available and is part of this listing! Laedpoyutlusfx Amroc

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), Year of construction: 2018, operating hours: 10 h, functionality: fully functional, turning diameter over cross slide: 610 mm, spindle bore: 130 mm, turning diameter: 1,000 mm, center height: 500 mm, turning length: 3,000 mm, quill diameter: 160 mm, quill travel distance: 300 mm, total length: 6,350 mm, total width: 2,190 mm, total height: 1,810 mm, spindle speed (max.): 315 rpm, spindle speed (min.): 3 rpm, swing diameter over cross slide: 610 mm, metric thread diameter (min.): 1 mm, metric thread diameter (max.): 120 mm, metric thread steps: 44, bed width: 755 mm, type of input current: three-phase, workpiece weight (max.): 6,000 kg, Maximum turning diameter: 500 mm Distance between centers: 3000 mm Bed width: 755 mm Diameter of swing over bed: 1000 mm Diameter of swing over carriage: 610 mm Spindle bore: 130 mm Spindle nose: D1-15/Short taper 15 Ljdpfx Amey S Rqdereac Spindle speed range: 3.15 - 315 rpm (21 steps) Longitudinal feed range: 0.1 - 12 mm/rev, 57 steps Cross feed range: 0.05 - 6 mm/rev, 57 steps Rapid traverse rate longitudinal/cross: 3700/1850 mm/min Metric threads: 1 - 120 mm, 44 steps Inch threads: 3/8 - 28 TPI, 31 steps Module threads: 0.5 - 60 mm, 45 steps Diametral threads: 1 - 56 DP, 38 steps Tailstock quill diameter: 160 mm Quill mounting: MK 6 Quill travel: 300 mm Motor power: 22 kW Weight: 14,400.00 kg Dimensions: 6350 x 2190 x 1810 mm

Condition: used, turning diameter over bed 4000 mm turning diameter over slide rest . mm turning length 5000 mm total power requirement 30 kW weight of the machine ca. . t dimensions of the machine ca. . m Specifications Turning length (mm) 5000 Max. turning diameter (mm) 4000 Max. turning diameter at offset (mm) 5000 Speed ??1.4 - 71 (18x) kW 30 Lodpfsyqtgdjx Amroac Voltage 380V Hz 50 Including: 4-jaw faceplate Ø 3150 mm The tech. Data are manufacturer or operator information and therefore non- binding. We reserve the right to prior sale; Our terms and conditions of sale apply exclusively. About us More than 400 of our own machines in stock Over 15,000 m² of storage space, 70 t crane capacity More than 10,000 items and accessories for your workshop If you are interested in selling machines, production lines, or your business, please contact us. You can find further offers on our website. Tours are possible by appointment. We look forward to your visit. Your Markus Hirsch Team

Condition: used, turning diameter over bed 1650 mm turning diameter over slide rest 1200 mm turning length 7500 mm turning dia. in gap 2500 mm spindle diameter 105 mm speed 3,55 - 180 (x24) U/min voltage 380 V 4-jaw faceplate Ø 1.600 mm Steady rest Ø 700 mm The tech. Data are manufacturer or operator information and therefore non- binding. We reserve the right to prior sale; Our terms and conditions of sale apply exclusively. Laedpfeyqthbex Amrsc About us More than 400 of our own machines in stock Over 15,000 m² of storage space, 70 t crane capacity More than 10,000 items and accessories for your workshop If you are interested in selling machines, production lines, or your business, please contact us. You can find further offers on our website. Tours are possible by appointment. We look forward to your visit. Your Markus Hirsch Team

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1974, turning diameter over bed 1320 mm turning diameter over slide rest 820 mm turning length 4400 mm faceplate 1200 mm bed width 800 mm spindle passage 167 mm steady 480 control IMS total power requirement 76 kW Maschinen Nr.: 3987 The tech. Data are manufacturer or operator information and therefore non- binding. We reserve the right to prior sale; Our terms and conditions of sale apply exclusively. Ljdpfoyqu Szex Amroac About us More than 400 of our own machines in stock Over 15,000 m² of storage space, 70 t crane capacity More than 10,000 items and accessories for your workshop If you are interested in selling machines, production lines, or your business, please contact us. You can find further offers on our website. Tours are possible by appointment. We look forward to your visit. Your Markus Hirsch Team

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1971, turning diameter over bed 1250 mm turning diameter over slide rest 900 mm turning length 5000 mm faceplate 1250 mm workpiece weight in steadies max. 20000 kg Ledoy D A Edepfx Amrsac workpiece weight 16000 kg weight of the machine ca. 22 t The tech. Data are manufacturer or operator information and therefore non- binding. We reserve the right to prior sale; Our terms and conditions of sale apply exclusively. About us More than 400 of our own machines in stock Over 15,000 m² of storage space, 70 t crane capacity More than 10,000 items and accessories for your workshop If you are interested in selling machines, production lines, or your business, please contact us. You can find further offers on our website. Tours are possible by appointment. We look forward to your visit. Your Markus Hirsch Team

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1983, turning diameter over bed 1790 mm turning diameter over slide rest 1250 mm turning length 5000 mm faceplate 1250 mm workpiece weight 4500 kg control Siemens type System 8 T mm turning speeds 1,1-300 U/min total power requirement 72 kW The tech. Data are manufacturer or operator information and therefore non- binding. We reserve the right to prior sale; Our terms and conditions of sale apply exclusively. Ledpjy D A D Tsfx Amrjac About us More than 400 of our own machines in stock Over 15,000 m² of storage space, 70 t crane capacity More than 10,000 items and accessories for your workshop If you are interested in selling machines, production lines, or your business, please contact us. You can find further offers on our website. Tours are possible by appointment. We look forward to your visit. Your Markus Hirsch Team

Condition: used, turning diameter over bed 3800 mm turning diameter over slide rest 3200 mm turning length 12000 mm faceplate diameter 3100 mm steady 2 bed width 4000 mm turning speeds 200 U/min workpiece weight 90.000 kg Hydrostatik Spindellagerung Hydrostatik Lynette The tech. Data are manufacturer or operator information and therefore non-binding. We reserve the right to prior sale; Our terms and conditions of sale apply exclusively. About us More Ledjyqwa Uopfx Amreac than 400 of our own machines in stock Over 15,000 m² of storage space, 70 t crane capacity More than 10,000 items and accessories for your workshop If you are interested in selling machines, production lines, or your business, please contact us. You can find further offers on our website. Tours are possible by appointment. We look forward to your visit. Your Markus Hirsch Team

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1958, turning diameter over bed 3050 mm turning diameter over slide rest 2500 mm turning length 21200 mm Control Siemens type 840D turning speeds 0,236-60 U/min faceplate 3000 mm main drive motor 200 kW tailstock quill diameter 900 mm steady 1200 mm steady 1200 mm steady 750 mm steady 750 mm with live steady 2000 mm faceplate 2000 mm Thickness 330 mm workpiece weight 200 t vier Bahnenbett Mitlaufendes Stützlager durchmesser 680 Bohrstangenlagerung Rollenbock Rollenbock mit Adapter Bohrstand 450 x 10300 mm Bohrstand 650 x 11100 mm Laedpfx Asyqtprjmrjc Innenschleifmaschine Faros Adapt for Bohrstangenaufnahme The tech. Data are manufacturer or operator information and therefore non- binding. We reserve the right to prior sale; Our terms and conditions of sale apply exclusively. About us More than 400 of our own machines in stock Over 15,000 m² of storage space, 70 t crane capacity More than 10,000 items and accessories for your workshop If you are interested in selling machines, production lines, or your business, please contact us. You can find further offers on our website. Tours are possible by appointment. We look forward to your visit. Your Markus Hirsch Team

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1973, turning diameter over bed 2235 mm turning diameter over slide rest 2997 mm turning length 12200 mm Control SIEMENS faceplate diameter 2000 mm Ljdpfxst Ei Huj Amreac required space ca. 7 x 22 m weight of the machine ca. 220 t HOESCH MFD CNC HEAVY DUTY LATHE WITH SIEMENS CONTROL Type: D2000 SGK-1 Technical documentation is included Technical Specifications Space requirement: 7 x 22 metres + control cabinet 4.7 x 0.5 x 2 metres Faceplate 2006mm Centre Height 1,499mm Swing Over Saddle 2235mm Swing Over Bed 2997mm Turning Length 12192mm Min/Max Workpiece Held In Chuck Ø457/1600mm Maximum Workpiece Weight 110 Ton Speed Range 0.5- 140rpm (300hp Motor) Feed Range 0.0118-7.08''/Rev. Steady Capacity Ø356-902mm Copying Depth 508mm lnductive Maximum Cutting Force 30,000Nm Twin Barrel Steady Capacity Ø356- 902mm, 50 Ton Capacity, Roller Type. Machine Data 1.1 Total Machine Max. Swing over bed slide 2,000 mm Center height over bed 1,500 mm Distance between centers 12,000 mm max. weight of workpiece 100,000 kp height measured from shop floor level up to machine axis 2,200 mm 1.2 Headstock Diameter of main spindle 670 mm Diameter of faceplate 2,000 mm Max. chucking diameter 1,600 mm Min. chucking diameter 455 mm Dead Center Angle 80 ° Faceplate Speed: Constant torque 1st range 0,5 – 2,6 2nd range 1,25 – 7,2 3rd range 3,1 - 18 4th range 7,8 - 45 Constant capacity 1st range 9,0 2nd range 22,6 3rd range 56 4th range 140 Capacity of Main Drive 220 HP Max. Torque faceplate 30,000 kpm Key Speed 5,7 rev/min 1.3 Saddle Max. admissible main cutting force 30,000 kp Feed Speed longitudinal 0,3 – 120 mm / min Feed Speed transverse 0,3 – 120 mm / min Rapid Traverse Speed longitudinal 2,000 mm/ min Rapid Traverse Speed transverse 1,000 mm/ min Max. copying depth 500 mm Max. length of tool carrier measured from front edge cross slide to front edge tool carrier 700mm Tool carrier – width 60mm 35 mm Cutting Edge height of tool units 60 mm Cutting edge height of shank-type tools beeing located on the clamping table 100 mm Travel of upper tool post 820 mm 1.4 Tailstock Tailstock barrel diameter 580 mm Adjustment of the barrel 150 mm Dead Center angle 80 ° Speed of rapid traverse 2,000 mm / min Positioning speed 500 mm / min 1.5 Steady Clamping range 350 – 900 mm ...

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2009, Seiger SLZ 1000 cycle lathe year of construction 2009 center distance 3000mm Lasdpfx Ameu T Drysrjc Circulation over bed 1010 Circulation over facing slide 650 Drive at 100% ED 37KW at 60/ ED 52KW max. torque approx. 9000NM Speed 5-900rpm X Feed force max 240000N Z feed force max 16000N Control Heidenhain Manual Turn with faceplate and steady rest The offer is aimed exclusively at traders within the meaning of §14 BGB

Condition: used, Technical details: turning diameter over bed: 3800 mm turning diameter over slide rest: 3200 mm turning length: 12000 mm Lsdpfxex Ngzyj Amreac faceplate turning speed range -stepless-: 2 - 200 U/min max. workpiece weight: 90.000 kg bed width: 4000 mm 2 steadies *