Used Pramac Other for sale (21,539)

Condition: used, operating hours: 261 h, machine/vehicle number: HEI0009695, fuel type: diesel, motor manufacturer: Baudouin 12M26 G1000/5, General information Year of manufacture: 2023 Field of application: Construction Weights Empty weight: 18.000 kg Functional Generator capacity: 1.016 kVA Dimensions of cargo space: 1219 x 244 x 258 cm CE mark: yes Other information Fuel consumption: 145.2 Liter / Hour at 75% Load Generator: Mecc Alte ECO43 2SN Lrsdpjyv Umkjfx Abysu Frequency: 50 Voltage: 400 Drill equipment: Tank, Battery, Control Panel, Steel canopy Production country: IT Additional information Please contact Team DPX for more information = Additional options and accessories = - Battery - Control Panel - Steel canopy - Tank

Condition: new, gearing type: other, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 990 kg, empty load weight: 980 kg, maximum load weight: 10 kg, brakes: other, suspension: steel, driver cabin: other, Vehicle location: Bovenden. Superstructure: Pramac Generac V 20 hybrid lighting tower, battery-diesel system with 4 x 320 Watt gel batteries and a Kubota Z 482 diesel engine, 4 x 320 Watt. New equipment from stock, year of manufacture 2023. ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT GUARANTEE; subject to changes, prior sale, and errors! Lrsdpszv Up Asfx Abyou

Condition: new, gearing type: other, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 990 kg, empty load weight: 980 kg, maximum load weight: 10 kg, brakes: other, suspension: steel, driver cabin: other, Vehicle location: Bovenden. Lrodpfx Abozv Up Noyou Superstructure: Pramac Generac V 20 hybrid lighting tower, battery-diesel system with 4 x 320 Watt gel batteries and a Kubota Z 482 diesel engine, 4 x 320 Watt. New equipment from stock, year of manufacture 2023. ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT GUARANTEE; subject to changes, prior sale, and errors!

Condition: new, gearing type: other, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 990 kg, empty load weight: 980 kg, maximum load weight: 10 kg, brakes: other, suspension: steel, driver cabin: other, Vehicle location: Bovenden. Superstructure: Pramac Generac V 20 hybrid lighting tower, battery-diesel system with 4 x 320 Watt gel batteries and a Kubota Z 482 diesel engine, 4 x 320 Watt. New equipment from stock, year of manufacture 2023. ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT GUARANTEE; subject to changes, prior sale, and errors! Lredpszv Upvsfx Abyju

Condition: new, gearing type: other, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 990 kg, empty load weight: 980 kg, maximum load weight: 10 kg, brakes: other, suspension: steel, driver cabin: other, Vehicle location: Bovenden. Lredpfx Abozv Uqajyeu Superstructure: Pramac Generac V 20 hybrid lighting tower, battery-diesel system with 4 x 320 Watt gel batteries and a Kubota Z 482 diesel engine, 4 x 320 Watt. New equipment from stock, year of manufacture 2023. ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT GUARANTEE; subject to changes, prior sale, and errors!

Condition: new, gearing type: other, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 990 kg, empty load weight: 980 kg, maximum load weight: 10 kg, brakes: other, suspension: steel, driver cabin: other, Vehicle location: Bovenden. Superstructure: Pramac Generac V 20 hybrid lighting tower, battery-diesel system with 4 x 320 Watt gel batteries and a Kubota Z 482 diesel engine, 4 x 320 Watt. New equipment from stock, year of manufacture 2023. ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT GUARANTEE; subject to changes, prior sale, and errors! Lrsdpfx Aozv Uqmobysu

Condition: new, gearing type: other, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 990 kg, empty load weight: 980 kg, maximum load weight: 10 kg, brakes: other, suspension: steel, driver cabin: other, Vehicle location: Bovenden. Lredpfx Abezv Uqtoyeu Superstructure: Pramac Generac V 20 hybrid lighting tower, battery-diesel system with 4 x 320 Watt gel batteries and a Kubota Z 482 diesel engine, 4 x 320 Watt. New equipment from stock, year of manufacture 2023. ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT GUARANTEE; subject to changes, prior sale, and errors!

Condition: new, gearing type: other, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 990 kg, empty load weight: 980 kg, maximum load weight: 10 kg, brakes: other, suspension: steel, driver cabin: other, Vehicle location: Bovenden. Type: Pramac Generac V 20 hybrid lighting tower, battery-diesel, 4 x 320 Watt gel batteries, and Kubota Z 482 diesel engine, 4 x 320 Watt. New units from stock, manufactured in 2023, original price approximately €17,000.00. ACCESSORY INFORMATION PROVIDED WITHOUT GUARANTEE. Subject to changes, prior sale, and errors! Lodozwd I Dspfx Abyjru

Condition: new, gearing type: other, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 990 kg, empty load weight: 980 kg, maximum load weight: 10 kg, brakes: other, suspension: steel, driver cabin: other, Vehicle location: Bovenden. Superstructure: Pramac Generac V 20 hybrid lighting tower, battery-diesel system with 4 x 320 Watt gel batteries and a Kubota Z 482 diesel engine, 4 x 320 Watt. New equipment from stock, year of manufacture 2023. ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT GUARANTEE; subject to changes, prior sale, and errors! Lodpfx Aozv Uppebysru

Condition: used, mileage: 122,565 km, power: 1,000 kW (1,359.62 HP), first registration: 01/2007, fuel type: diesel, color: white, axle configuration: 6x6, operation weight: 600,000 kg, empty load weight: 45,440 kg, driver cabin: day cab, gearing type: automatic, suspension: other, Year of construction: 2007, operating hours: 23,137 h, Equipment: additional headlights, air conditioning, all wheel drive, hydraulics, trailer coupling, Towbarless Push-Back: - Goldhofer - AST-1X 1360 - Year of construction 2007 - 122,565KM; 23,137 operating hours - 2x Deutz diesel engine TCD 2015 V08, 15,874cc each; 500kw - 1x Deutz BF4M1013C, 110kw (GPU) - Hydrostat (Vmax 32km/h) - Drive: 6x6 - additional GPU - Optional front-wheel, all-wheel or crab steering - StrobeLights - tows up to a maximum aircraft weight of 600,000KG (Airbus A380) - Swivel seat - Cabin can be raised and lowered - Climate control - Weight: 45.440Kg - 11.50m x 4.50m x 1.65m (lxwxh) - Machine is currently running in emergency mode for the following aircraft types: Boing: - B767-200...300 - B767-400 - B777 - B747 Airbus: - A300/310 - A330-200...300 - A340-200...300 Ledpfx Ajqxt N Uobyoru - A340-500...600 - A380-800...800F McDonnell Douglas: - DC-10 - MD-11 You can find a video of this offer on You can find our entire vehicle inventory at Receive all new vehicles by email - subscribe to our NEWSLETTER! Errors and typing errors possible, subject to prior sale!

Condition: new, gearing type: other, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 990 kg, empty load weight: 980 kg, maximum load weight: 10 kg, brakes: other, suspension: steel, driver cabin: other, Vehicle location: en route / in transit. Superstructure: Pramac Generac V 20 hybrid lighting tower, battery-diesel, 4 x 320-watt gel batteries and Kubota Z 482 diesel engine, 4 x 320 watts, new units from stock, year of manufacture 2023. Specifications subject to change, as the unit is currently en route! ACCESSORY INFORMATION WITHOUT GUARANTEE; subject to change, prior sale and errors. Ljdpfx Abjzv Uqgoyeru

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2008, Pramac GX12/29. Year of manufacture: 2008. Lifting capacity: 1200 kg. Lifting height: approximately 290 cm. Overall height: 200 cm. Weight: approximately 450 kg. Lredpfjz H Aghjx Abysu 2 x 12-volt batteries with a 230-volt charger. In working order. Video, photos, and additional information also available via WhatsApp! Price net + 21% VAT, or net for export with VAT number. We speak Dutch. Wir sprechen Deutsch. We speak English. Our general terms and conditions apply to all transactions! Machines are sold EX Works Winterswijk (Netherlands) in as-is condition!

Condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 586A, overall weight: 2,000 kg, axle configuration: 1 axle, first registration: 06/2004, The mobile fitting ramp is in a fantastic condition directly from the military Well maintained and cared for, as good as new condition, the trailer is equipped with: 1 crank support at the front, 2 hydraulic supports at the rear with these the loading edge can be raised from 1030 mm to 1530 mm, the platform can be extended to a length of 5360 mm with the folding rear ramps, the total length of the ramp is 5840 mm. - The adjustment ramp is adjustable in height up to a height of 1580 mm - load capacity 2.5 tons, the ramp is made of aluminium and coated with anti-slip. - The hydraulic drive is 220Volt, extension cable with retraction mechanism integrated in the trailer. - The trailer has the dimensions L/W/H 5240/ 1920 / 1140 in folded driving mode. - The drawbar is height-adjustable - the trailer is overrun-braked with 40mm drawbar (can also be converted to a ball coupling, not included in the price) - tire size 215 R 14C, other extras: support wheel for cranking. - New price of the trailer was 50000 CHF - 3 pieces in stock ! ! - All my vehicles can be seen on my homepage. - You are now rushing back and forth from Flensburg to Berchtesgaden to look at the different cars, but here you will find over 150 vehicles of the following types: - Hanomag AL 28, Magirus Deutz, MAN, Steyr, Dodge WC, Saurer, Unimog, GMC 6x6, Steyr-Puch, Iltis, Willys, G-model, Mowag, DB, etc., all with TUV. - even with TUV. - There are also an unimaginable number of spare parts and accessories. - Why would you settle for anything less? - Give us a call on 0049 (0)2248 le Gru?e Euer Philipp aus dem Hanfbachtal - Lrjdeqx S A Nopfx Abysu

Condition: used, mileage: 34,043 km, power: 395 kW (537.05 HP), first registration: 01/1999, overall weight: 55,200 kg, fuel type: diesel, color: white, empty load weight: 26,400 kg, gearing type: automatic, suspension: other, Year of construction: 1999, operating hours: 34,043 h, Equipment: additional headlights, air conditioning, hydraulics, parking heater, Towbarless PushBack: - Goldhofer - AST-1 A500 - Year of construction 1999 - 34,043 operating hours - Liebherr D9408 TI-EA3 engine, 8 cylinders, 395KW, 17.180ccm, Configuration: 988 1201 - Hydrostat (Vmax 30km/h) - Unladen weight: 26,400kg; permissible GG: 55,200kg - Air conditioning - Auxiliary heating - Swivel seat system - StrobeLights left / right Aircraft types: Airbus: - A200 - A300 - A310 - A330/340 Lrodpfx Asqxt I Tsbyju - A500 - A600 Boing: - B747 - B767 - B777 - B787 McDonenell Douglas: - DC-10 - MD-11 The pushback is currently running in the "emergency driving program" - a data transmission error is displayed You can find a video of this offer on You can find our entire vehicle fleet at Receive all new vehicles by email - subscribe to our NEWSLETTER! Errors and typing errors possible, subject to prior sale!

Condition: used, machine/vehicle number: 1384A, mileage: 26,674 km, power: 179 kW (243.37 HP), first registration: 07/1985, fuel type: diesel, overall weight: 16,393 kg, axle configuration: 3 axles, color: green, gearing type: automatic, Equipment: ABS, all wheel drive, compressor, TUV is NEW!!! So-KFZ registration, The AM General in a really good condition directly from the Army, well maintained and maintained, the body is in a great condition (vehicle from the reserve) the paint is also already, just Natogrun matt, The M931A1 is equipped with: All-wheel drive, 5-speed automatic gearbox, transfer case with stowage and off-road gear, power steering (super smooth), 2 diesel tanks with switch for the right or left tank, raised exhaust, air brake with ABS, 3 front seats, the body is a saddle plate movable for off-road driving. The saddle plate can also be fixed for road operation by means of sliding wedges , The km indication are miles , Driving license class 2 (truck) , Tire size 14.00R20 tubeless (very good condition) , Top speed 90 km / h , Engine capacity 14011cm? , , 24Volt power supply , The M931A1 has not only Tuv, but also drives reliably :-) - A tractor unit for real off-road use ! ! ! - The AM Generalist is a real pleasure to drive and can also be insured cheaply as a youngster. - ATTENTION ! ! the DEALER PRICE is as the vehicle is, without TUV and so on.... - All my vehicles can be seen on my homepage. - You are now rushing back and forth from Flensburg to Berchtesgaden to look at the different cars, but here you will find over 150 vehicles of the following types: - Hanomag AL 28, Magirus Deutz, MAN, Steyr, Dodge WC, Saurer, Unimog, GMC 6x6, Steyr-Puch, Iltis, Willys, G-model, Mowag, DB, etc., all with TUV. - even with TUV. - There are also an unimaginable number of spare parts and accessories. - Why would you settle for anything less? - Give us a call on 0049 (0)2248 le Gru?e Euer Philipp aus dem Hanfbachtal Lredpfxjqx S Aao Abyju

Condition: used, fuel type: diesel, Year of construction: 2023, machine/vehicle number: EXVAC SE.10, RIVARD suction excavator EXVAC SE.10 !! IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE !! RIVARD industrial turbine Detachable suction hose connection 10.5 m³ container volume 4-link boom Hydrostatic drive Filter cleaning Fall protection at the rear / front Ljdpfx Askl N R Ajbyjru Camera-based travel monitoring

Condition: used, mileage: 3,333 km, power: 338 kW (459.55 HP), first registration: 10/1981, overall weight: 7,500 kg, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 6,000 kg, gearing type: other, Year of construction: 1981, operating hours: 1,589 h, machine/vehicle number: 678T, Patrol boat 80 MARS made of GRP from the swiss army. The boat is in really good condition, even the engines look almost like new ! ! ! It's unimaginable how the Swiss can manage this, despite its age. Length 10.7 meters, width 3.24 meters, height 3.1 meters Gauge weight 6000 kg 60 Km/h fast with 2 Volvo diesel engines 250 HP each On transport trailer Calag More photos can be found on my homepage under new arrivals. Several other all-wheel drive vehicles and other military vehicles are still available in my offer. All my vehicles can be seen on my homepage. Now you are rushing back and forth from Flensburg to Berchtesgaden to look at the different cars, but here you will find over 150 vehicles of the following types: Lredpeqx S Dbsfx Abyeu Hanomag AL 28, Magirus Deutz, MAN, Steyr, Dodge WC, Saurer, Unimog, GMC 6x6, Steyr-Puch, Iltis, Willys, G-model, Mowag, DB, etc., and all with MOT. even with TÜV. There are also an unimaginable number of spare parts and accessories. Why would you settle for anything less? Call 0049 (0)2248 Greetings, Philipp from the Hanfbachtal valley

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, color: grey, We at Eventmobile Saar GmbH offer you an unbeatable complete package for professional mobile catering operations. Our new 20' gastro sea container combines elegant design with the best German and European brand quality – from the insulated structure to the custom-made stainless steel work surfaces and high-quality catering equipment. Whether for snacks, street food, catering, or events: this container is fully equipped, can be used independently, and is designed for year-round operation. HIGHLIGHTS & BENEFITS 🌡️ Suitable for year-round use: High-quality structure made of isothermal aluminum-fiberglass laminate for optimal internal temperatures in any season. ⭐ Brand-name catering equipment: Certified professional gas appliances from the quality manufacturer Bertos, fully made of stainless steel. 🔌 Ready for use & self-sufficient: Complete water system, cooling & ventilation fully integrated. 🛠️ Flexible customization: Individual requests (payload, room layout, additional serving hatches) can be easily accommodated. ⏱️ Predictable availability: Delivery time up to 6 months, depending on the desired configuration. 🛡️ Safety & warranty: 1 year full warranty on the structure and all kitchen equipment. 📐 TECHNICAL DATA & DIMENSIONS 🏢 Manufacturer / Model: Gastro Sea Container / Food Container 🎨 Color: Anthracite (RAL 7016) 📏 Length: 5,898 mm 📐 Width: 2,352 mm 📏 Height: 2,385 mm GASTRO PROFESSIONAL EQUIPMENT 🔥 Gas appliances: - Gas grill "Bertos", smooth plate, dimensions (W x D x H) 600 x 600 x 290, power: 8 kW, made of stainless steel, G6FL6B - Gas fryer "Bertos", 2 x 8 liter tank capacity, dimensions (W x D x H) 600 x 600 x 290, power: 13.2 kW, made of stainless steel, with drain valve, GL8+8B Lsds Ad Ihljpfx Abyjru - Gas stove "Bertos" with 4 burners, dimensions (W x D x H) 600 x 600 x 290, power: 12.4 kW, made of stainless steel, G6F4B ❄️ Cooling - Two small under-counter refrigerators "Liebherr" - Refrigerator with glass door, also suitable for beverages "Klarstein" - One small under-counter freezer "Liebherr" - Chest freezer for cooling from 4 to 10 degrees 💧 WATER SYSTEM & HYGIENE - Water system with water canisters, 30 liter capacity with fresh and wastewater canisters - Double stainless steel sink with faucet - Hygiene package consisting of a paper towel dispenser and a soap dispenser - 10-liter hot water boiler - Pump Additional equipment Serving area and work surface made of brushed stainless steel Two large, easy-to-open serving hatches for optimal customer contact Fireproof insulation wall throughout the cooking area Exhaust hood with labyrinth filters Non-slip flooring for catering Sneeze guard available as an option Convenient access via a separate side door Individual requests? We also manufacture to order! Other equipment, additional serving hatches or higher payload can be flexibly implemented. Call us and get a non-binding consultation!

Condition: used, Year of manufacture: 2016 Lredj Adnicepfx Abyju Lifting capacity: 2.500 kg Please contact Gebrauchtgeräte Center for more information

Condition: used, loading space volume: 5 m³, loading space width: 1,500 mm, loading space length: 3,300 mm, loading space height: 1,300 mm, Aluminum cover: - Provence Benne - 5m³ - Side flap - Side handle - from Nissan Cabstar garbage truck - Overall dimensions: 330cm x 150cm x 130cm (lxwxh) - Footprint (floor): 180cm x 150cm (lxw) You can find a video of this offer on You can find our entire vehicle inventory at Receive all new vehicles by email - subscribe to our NEWSLETTER! Ljdpfxeqxucgs Abyjru Errors and typing errors possible, subject to prior sale!

Year of construction: 2023, condition: new, machine/vehicle number: 383036928, 16x 120mm DTH drill rods, 4000 mm x 85 mm, 2 7-8" API Reg 02x adapter shank 2 3-8" API Reg Pin x 2 7-8" API Reg Box 02x 140mm DTH drill bit 02x 5" DTH hydraulic hammer with DHD350 shank, 2 7-8" API Lrsdpfxohypv Ue Abysu Additional information: Intended use: Construction General condition: very good Technical condition: very good Visual condition: very good

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), Year of construction: 2023, operating hours: 1 h, functionality: fully functional, fuel type: diesel, color: green, output voltage: 400 V, output frequency: 50 Hz, type of output current: three-phase, nominal power: 47.7 kW (64.85 HP), nominal power (apparent): 65 kVA, motor manufacturer: Iveco, type of cooling: water, fuel: diesel, Equipment: documentation/manual, Currently only 2 pieces available from stock at short notice! Manufacturer: PRAMAC Type: GDW 65iV Equipment: ACP automatic emergency power supply BAT starter battery PFT Plastic tank in base frame LPT Liquid collection tray 110% PHS Engine preheater MOP Manual engine oil suction pump LTS 100A motorized changeover switch Technical data see appendix. Ledpeu Dlg Ajfx Abyoru The machine can be inspected on site. All data without guarantee Subject to errors and prior sale

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2023, functionality: fully functional, fuel: regular/benzine 91, Manufacturer: Pramac Continuous power, single-phase: 6.0 kVA / 5.5 kW – 230V Maximum power, single-phase: 7.2 kVA / 6.4 kW – 230V Honda gasoline engine, model GX 390 Emission stage: STAGE V AVR electronic generator regulation Manual start Fuel tank capacity: 11 liters Socket panel: 1 x Schuko 1 x 32 A – 230V Weight: approx. 73 kg Dimensions in mm: 729x500x536 Lodpfez Sqdysx Abysru

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2023, functionality: fully functional, input frequency: 50 Hz, Manufacturer: Pramac Continuous power, single-phase: 6.0 kVA / 5.5 kW – 230V Maximum power, single-phase: 7.2 kVA / 6.4 kW – 230V Honda gasoline engine, model GX 390 Lrodpfxoz Sqdts Abyju Emission stage: STAGE V AVR electronic generator regulation Manual start Fuel tank capacity: 11 liters Socket panel: 1 x Schuko 1 x 32 A – 230V Weight: approx. 73 kg Dimensions in mm: 729x500x536

Condition: used, mileage: 22,000 km, power: 121 kW (164.51 HP), first registration: 05/1994, overall weight: 7,490 kg, fuel type: diesel, color: red, next inspection (TÜV): 08/2026, gearing type: mechanical, emission class: euro1, loading space width: 2,500 mm, loading space length: 4,000 mm, loading space height: 1,640 mm, Year of construction: 1994, total length: 5,950 mm, total width: 2,500 mm, total height: 2,960 mm, number of seats: 3, Equipment: ABS, all wheel drive, 1st owner. Original 22,000 total kilometers, with complete documentation of the vehicle's history and TÜV (German vehicle inspection) reports. German fire department vehicle, in service until the end of 2020, then transferred internally in 2021 to the parks and recreation department and occasionally used as a watering truck in the cemetery. The vehicle is still largely an original fire truck; only the emergency lights, siren, and loudspeaker have been removed. In 2021, the vehicle's registration was changed, and it was subsequently registered as a "closed box truck" for civilian use. A "reversion to truck status" was carried out, including a reduction in the permissible total weight to 7490 kg, so that the 917 AF can now be driven directly with the old Class III driver's license. During the corresponding weighing process, a tare weight of 6040 kg was recorded in 2021 (the weighing certificate is available). The reduction in weight to 7.49 tons is correctly recorded in the vehicle documents, and the tare weight is classified as "5970-6115 kg" there. The vehicle was originally a TLF 16/24-Tr (tank fire engine) and was last classified as a "TLF 3000" in accordance with the new standards. A 2420-liter fire water tank is installed (original). In the currently reduced weight state, the water tank must no longer be filled completely if the vehicle is driven on public roads. The superstructure is from ZIEGLER, manufactured in 1994, and a fire pump FP 16/8 is located at the rear (265 operating hours according to the meter). The tires, size 9R22.5, are in good condition, DOT 2013 with good tread. A complete spare wheel is included. Six-cylinder in-line diesel engine with 5958 ccm and 165 hp. Lrede Adwhuepfx Abyou 5-speed manual transmission. 90 km/h maximum speed is recorded. Leaf-sprung, robust municipal chassis for heavy terrain. Short wheelbase 3150 mm. 2 differential locks + off-road reduction + power take-off. ABS (switchable via push button). Small Rockinger trailer hitch TK226A with 2000 kg braked and 1500 kg unbraked trailer load. Support load for disaster relief trailers according to the type plate is a maximum of 80 kg. Power steering. 3 seats. Driver's seat = ISRI comfort seat. Fog lights. Steel front bumper with recovery shackles. Overall vehicle dimensions: Length 5.95 m / Width 2.50 m / Height 2.96 m. Superstructure dimensions (external dimensions of the main body): 4.00 m long / 2.50 m wide / 1.64 m high. The vehicle is fully operational, the last TÜV inspection was carried out at 22,101 km with no defects and expired on 08/2026. Until 14.10.2026, this 917 AF was regularly approved for road traffic. No immediate defects are known for a new main inspection, but the vehicle has been used very little in recent years and, unfortunately, has not been maintained as well as it apparently was during its time with the fire department. Overall, the condition is still quite good. The truck has also been regularly moved around the depot over the years to this day. The LK 917 AF requires maintenance soon, preferably a thorough inspection. Accordingly, the 917 AF is offered here at a reduced purchase price so that the car remains attractive for export. A TÜV inspection by us is therefore not planned, as the price would be much higher with a TÜV inspection. The right buyer will certainly understand our clear and openly communicated approach, all others should simply buy another car and save everyone involved from unnecessary discussions.