Used Hardfacing Electrode (28214) for sale (476)

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 2013, travel distance X-axis: 400 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 300 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 300 mm, total height: 2,300 mm, table width: 1,700 mm, overall weight: 2,100 kg, product length (max.): 1,800 mm, number of axes: 4, This 4-axis PENTA 433GS CNC was manufactured in 2013. It features a working area of 1000 × 550 × 320 mm and a maximum workpiece weight of 700 kg. The machine is equipped with an automatic electrode changer and a controlled rotary axis (C-axis). If you are looking to get high-quality die-sinking capabilities, consider the PENTA 433GS CNC die-sinking EDM machine we have for sale. Contact us for further details. • Tank working area X×Y×Z: 970×550×350 mm • Clamping table: 700 × 350 mm • Distance table–quill (min–max): 150–450 mm • Max. workpiece weight: 700 kg • Dielectric volume: 380l Additional equipment Ppedpfxjyxc Ins Al Nju • Automatic electrode changer 5 positions • Integrated C-axis Standard • Automatic dielectric level control • EROWA head • Filtration unit • Central lubrication • High-speed AC drives • Accessories: set of clamps

Year of construction: 1991, condition: ready for operation (used), Travel X/Y/Z: 380mm/280mm/300mm, working dimensions X/Y/Z: 580mm/450mm/340mm, max. electrode weight: 50kg. Machine dimensions X/Y/Z: approx. 2100mm/1650mm/1750mm, weight: approx. 3500kg. An on-site inspection is possible. Ppsdpfxezb Nlwo Al Neu

Condition: refurbished (used), functionality: fully functional, type of input current: three-phase, input voltage: 380 V, warranty duration: 3 months, type of cooling: water, welding current (min.): 5 A, welding current (max.): 260 A, Rehm Invertig 260 AC/DC Digital – Water-cooled TIG ACDC 3-month warranty Refurbished, tested, serviced, and ready for immediate use Specifications: 5-260 AMP 380 Volt Water-cooled ACDC Pulse 2/4 Step Pre gas / Post gas Start current / End current Up slope / Down slope Frequency adjustable AC Balance AC Frequency Electode option Including Parweld PRO18 Welding torch, earth work cable with clamp, and gas cable. Visits by appointment only. Test welding is possible. A video of the machine in welding condition is possible. We also deliver to countries like Spain, Germany, Austria, Lithuania, Greece and all other countries inside and outside Europe with Euro pallets per freight. All our machines have been serviced and are 100% ready to use unless otherwise indicated. The pictures above show the real machine. We can also offer you other types of machines such as: Ppodpfxoyzpb Ho Al Neu Used, New, Mig, Mag, Co2, Tig, Pulse, AC/DC, Plasma, Water-cooled, Electrode, Brands we offer: OTC, Migatronic, Lincoln, Miller, Fronius, Kemppi, Parweld, Tico, Lorch, Rehm, Selco, Carl Cloos, Cebora, Esab, Saf, EWM, Ess, Kemper. You always do business with Cjays Lastechniek itself and never with third parties.

Condition: refurbished (used), functionality: fully functional, type of input current: three-phase, input voltage: 380 V, ground cable length: 4,000 mm, warranty duration: 3 months, type of cooling: water, hose package length: 4,000 mm, welding current at 60% duty cycle: 245 A, welding current at 100% duty cycle: 210 A, welding current (min.): 5 A, welding current (max.): 260 A, Rehm Invertig 260 AC/DC Digital – Water-cooled TIG ACDC Ppsdjywgpaspfx Al Nsu 3-month warranty Refurbished, tested, serviced, and ready for immediate use Specifications: 5-260 AMP 380 Volt Water-cooled ACDC Pulse 2/4 Step Pre gas / Post gas Start current / End current Up slope / Down slope Frequency adjustable AC Balance AC Frequency Electode option Including Parweld PRO20 Welding torch, earth work cable with clamp, and gas cable. Visits by appointment only. Test welding is possible. A video of the machine in welding condition is possible. We also deliver to countries like Spain, Germany, Austria, Lithuania, Greece and all other countries inside and outside Europe with Euro pallets per freight. All our machines have been serviced and are 100% ready to use unless otherwise indicated. The pictures above show the real machine. We can also offer you other types of machines such as: Used, New, Mig, Mag, Co2, Tig, Pulse, AC/DC, Plasma, Water-cooled, Electrode, Brands we offer: OTC, Migatronic, Lincoln, Miller, Fronius, Kemppi, Parweld, Tico, Lorch, Rehm, Selco, Carl Cloos, Cebora, Esab, Saf, EWM, Ess, Kemper. You always do business with Cjays Lastechniek itself and never with third parties.

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: CPTXI400, type of input current: three-phase, input voltage: 380 V, ground cable length: 5,000 mm, warranty duration: 24 months, type of cooling: water, hose package length: 10,000 mm, welding current at 100% duty cycle: 400 A, welding current (min.): 30 A, welding current (max.): 400 A, The CPTX machine with inverter technology Industrial machine for simple welding tasks High ignition reliability Infinitely adjustable 100% duty cycle Increased power 30-400 AMP Pjdpoy Tuc Tefx Al Njpu 100% 400 AMP Duty-Cycle including: PRO5000 4 Meter Welding Torch Earth work lead 70mm² 5 meter 10 Meter Interconnection Hose 24 Months warranty Visits by appointment only. Test welding is possible. A video of the machine in welding condition is possible. We also deliver to countries like Spain, Germany, Austria, Lithuania, Greece and all other countries inside and outside Europe with Euro pallets per freight. All our machines have been serviced and are 100% ready to use unless otherwise indicated. The pictures above show the real machine. We can also offer you other types of machines such as: Used, New, Mig, Mag, Co2, Tig, Pulse, AC/DC, Plasma, Water-cooled, Electrode, Brands we offer: OTC, Migatronic, Lincoln, Miller, Fronius, Kemppi, Parweld, Tico, Lorch, Rehm, Selco, Carl Cloos, Cebora, Esab, Saf, EWM, Ess, Kemper. You always do business with Cjays Lastechniek itself and never with third parties.

Condition: refurbished (used), functionality: fully functional, input voltage: 380 V, ground cable length: 4,000 mm, warranty duration: 3 months, type of cooling: water, welding current at 100% duty cycle: 400 A, welding current (min.): 10 A, welding current (max.): 420 A, For sale: Kemppi Pro Evolution 4200 10-420 AMP (100% 400A) 400 Volt Pulse Double Pulse Synergic Water-cooled 2/4 Step 4 Roller drive Soft start Hot start Down slope Fixed programs Program memory Steel – Stainless Steel – Aluminum weldable Refurbished, serviced, and tested Including 2x PRO5000 Welding torches, earth work cable with clamp, and gas cable. Test welding is possible. A video of the machine in welding condition is possible. We also deliver to countries like Spain, Germany, Austria, Lithuania, Greece and all other countries inside and outside Europe with Euro pallets per freight. All our machines have been serviced and are 100% ready to use unless otherwise indicated. The pictures above show the real machine. We can also offer you other types of machines such as: Used, New, Mig, Mag, Co2, Tig, Pulse, AC/DC, Plasma, Water-cooled, Electrode, Brands we offer: OTC, Migatronic, Lincoln, Miller, Fronius, Kemppi, Parweld, Tico, Lorch, Rehm, Selco, Carl Cloos, Cebora, Esab, Saf, EWM, Ess, Kemper. You always do business with Cjays Lastechniek itself and never with third parties. Ppjdpsy Tt T Defx Al Neu

Condition: used, Spot and projection welding machine NIMAK type BMP 20/150 Spot welding machine, projection welding machine Mach. No. 81692 year of manufacture approx. 1980 Power at 50% duty cycle 150 kVA Ppodpov Dxm Sofx Al Neu Clamping plate below 200 x 160 mm Clamping plate above 200 x 160 mm Power setting continuously variable Max. projection 150 mm Electrode force 200 - 2000 kp continuously variable Operating air pressure max. 6 bar Connection power 600 kVA Mains connection 380 volts, 50 Hz - Welding control DTW 4Z 2P - Single spots and series spots - Parallel electrode guidance - Water-cooled without cooling unit - Electric 2-hand control panel with emergency stop - Control cabinet with control permanently attached to the machine Space requirement L x W x H 1000 x 800 x 1800 mm Weight 900 kg good condition

Condition: used, AC spot welding machine, projection welding machine ARO Type MA 350 DC AC resistance welding machine Machine No. MA35031332 / 9731122B110 / Year of manufacture 1997 Power at 50% duty cycle 30 kVA Power at 100% duty cycle 21 kVA Maximum welding power 156 kVA Reach 550 mm Electrode arm diameter 60 mm Electrode holder diameter 25 mm Cylinder stroke max. 80 mm Electrode force max. 730 daN (at 6 bar), continuously adjustable Operating air pressure 0.5 to 6 bar Mains connection 400 Volt, 50 Hz Connected power 75 kVA / 63 Amps / Conductor cross-section 3x 16 mm² Possible sheet metal combination max. 5 mm + 5 mm - Welding control ARO Micro 2X16 III Version 6Z2P Type 1B (6 times - 2 programs) - Continuously adjustable welding current via thyristor module Ppjdpfx Alehpf Iyj Nou - Parallel electrode guidance - Double-stroke welding cylinder (pre-stroke / welding stroke) - Operating mode: single stroke and series of spots - Electrode force continuously adjustable via air pressure - Water-cooled via external water cooling (water chiller not included) - Electric foot switch - Control cabinet with control unit permanently mounted on the machine - PC interface RS 485 - Welding point counter - Operating manual for control unit, spot welding machine and electrical diagram available Space requirement W x H x D 520 x 1550 x 1150 mm Weight 290 kg Very good condition

Condition: used, Spot welding machine, projection welding machine DALEX type PL 63 Serial No. N-0051390 Year of manufacture 2018 Output at 50% duty cycle: 63 kVA Output at 100% duty cycle: 44.5 kVA Maximum welding power: 182 kVA Rated welding current: 8.77 kA Throat depth: 250 - 550 mm Maximum arm spacing: 150 to (310 mm) Upper electrode arm diameter: 50 mm Lower electrode arm diameter: 60 mm Pjdpfxoycv Sao Al Nepu Electrode holder diameter: 25 mm Electrode stroke max.: 65 mm Electrode force: 100 - 600 daN Operating air pressure: 1 to 6 bar Power supply: 400 Volt, 50 Hz Rated current: 158 A Connected load: 137 kVA - Thyristor power stage - Welding control HARMS+WENDE - HWH MPS 10β - 5-stage control, single spot, series spot, 8 programs - Electrode force infinitely adjustable via air pressure - Parallel electrode guidance - Single-stroke welding cylinder - Water-cooled via external water cooling system (recirculating water cooler not included) - Electric foot switch - Control cabinet with controller fixed to machine - Operating manual Required space (L x W x H): 1150 x 700 x 1600 mm Weight: 335 kg As-new condition

Condition: used, Year of construction: 1960, Technical details: current capacity: 60 kVA throat: 680 mm arm distance: 115 / 415 mm pincer opening adjustable: 180 mm rated capacity: 60 kVA welding power: 71 kVA electrode capacity: 100 bis 600 daN voltage: 380 V / 50 Hz V air pressure: min./max.: 6 / 10 bar cooling water consumption: 12 l/min weight of the machine approx.: 685 + 200 kg connection voltage: 380 V / 91 A V rated capacity: 60 kVA connected load: 54 kVA dimension L-W-H: ca. Maschine: 1.700 x 850 x 1.750 mm dimension L-W-H: ca. Aggregat: 900 x 650 x 1000 mm POINT WELDING MACHINE - WELDING TRANSFORMER Direct current three-phase welding machine Application: Spot, projection and series spot welding Maximum short-circuit power 89 kVA Primary short-circuit current 135 A Secondary current = short-circuit current: 25 kA and welding current max. 20 kA Ppedpfju Nv Emsx Al Nou Electrode stroke max. 90 mm; electrode force min./max.: 100 daN / 600 daN Stroke sequence max. with 10 mm stroke 400 strokes/min. Spot fitting: electrode holder Ø 30 mm, adjustable 180 mm, arm distance = min./max.: 115 / 415 mm 2-fold foot switch Cooling unit, mobile = movable on wheels, connection power 1.45 kW, pipe connection R 3/4 inch, coolant R22 *

Condition: used, Technical details: welding current: 330A / 50% und 210A / 100% protection class: IP 23 total power requirement: 13,8 kVA weight of the machine approx.: 71 kg Ppodpju Nxv Iofx Al Nsu dimensions of machine: 0,95 x 0,60 x 0,90 m - MIG / MAG / MIG and electrode - cooling method water-cooled AF - insulation class B - power range 3A / 20V to 330A / 34V - wire feeder DS III (wire Ø 0,8 - 1,6mm) optinal possible! Steuerung über Roboterinterface *

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2006, Technical details: workpiece weight: 1,1 t control: RobAssist über makro-Technik / VME-Bus-CPU Rotary-table: Ø 800 mm rotary table tiltable: 370° Grad table - tiltable: 115° Grad Pjdpfxjvzq Hrj Al Nspu total power requirement: 35 kVA Total weight, approx.: 4000 kg dimensions L x W x H: Roboter: ca. 2,5 x 4,5 x 3,8 m dimensions electric cabinet: ca. 600 x 800 x x2200 mm dimensions L x W x H: Absaufanlage: ca. 0,7 x 0,8 x 2,7 m dimensions L x W x H: Drehmodul: ca. 1,4 x 1,4 x 1,1 m The system is currently in the technical department. Welding robot system consists of: -Gantry with robot: Reis Robotics, RVL20-16.3 kVA, stroke radius max. approx. 1600 mm, speeds = axis 1: 3 m/sec, axis 2: 185°/sec. Axis 3: 150° / sec., axis 4: 450° / sec., axis 5: 450° / sec., axis 6: 500° / sec, -2x columns: Column spacing 3300 mm, columns on base plate 900x900mm; columns Ø 350 mm -Turntable/tilt and turn module: Model RIS, type RDK11 Torque max. tilting axis = 4,200 Nm and turning axis 2,200 Nm Speed of tilting axis = 19° / sec. and turning axis 45° / sec. -Welding unit: Fronius, type TPS 2700; welding current range: MIG/MAG 3-270 A and electrode 10-270 A as well as TIG = 3-270 A; protection class IP 23 -Welding fume extraction: Teka, type DUST Buster DB-302 R, air volume flow max. 300m³/h, filter class Kategori C, filter area 2.2 m² -Cooling unit: Type FK 4000 R, power 2 kW, protection class IP 23, pressure 4 bar Equipment: -safety light barrier with transmitter and receiver Hand-held programming device *

Condition: used, Technical details: Pjdpfju Nv Eajx Al Njpu current capacity: 100 kVA throat: 600 mm arm distance: 600 mm control: Bosch Programmier-Feldbusse pincer opening adjustable: 240 - 540 interface: RS 485 voltage: 500 V connection voltage: 380 V air pressure: 6 bar cooling water consumption: 14 l/min weight of the machine approx.: 770 kg space requirements of the machine approx.: 1,5 x 0,95 x 2,1 m SPOT WELDING MACHINE - WELDING TRANSFORMER Application: Spot, projection and series spot welding 1 - 1000 Hz Lifting cylinder electrode force 11 daN PSI 6000 medium frequency inverter with integrated control function (50/60 Hz AC mains voltage) Electrode arm Ø 35mm Electrode holder adjustment 200mm (manual) Arm distance min. 240mm max.: 540mm Manual adjustment Operation via Rexroth IntraControl VCP05 control panel and foot switch incl. replacement electrodes (water-cooled) external Rittal water recooling unit SK3320.609 *

Condition: used, Technical details: welding current: 330A / 50% bis 210A / 100% protection class: IP23 total power requirement: 13,8 kVA Ppjdsu Nwb Njpfx Al Nju weight of the machine approx.: 71 kg dimensions of machine: 0,95 x 0,60 x 0,90 m - MIG / MAG / MIG and electrode - cooling method water-cooled AF - insulation class B - power range 3A / 20V to 330A / 34V - Draht Ø bis 1,6mm Equipment: - cooling unit Control via robot interface *

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2012, AGIECHARMILLES drilling EDM machine, model DRILL 20, manufactured in 2012. Travel: X 300, Y 200, Z 300. Maximum drilling depth: 200 mm. Table: 400 x 300 mm. CNC unit with 12" TFT touchscreen. Sequences drilling points until the electrode is used up. Maximum workpiece weight: 300 kg. 30A generator. Electrode diameter: 0.1 - 3.0 mm. Ppedszd D Rrspfx Al Nsu Dielectric pump pressure: 70 bars. Dielectric tank capacity: 16 liters.

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2014, AGIECHARMILLES FORM 300 wire erosion machine, manufactured in 2014. Travel: X 600, Y 400, Z 450 Table size: 750 x 600 mm. Working tank dimensions: 1,220 x 870 x 470 mm. Linear guides. Maximum workpiece weight: 1,600 kg. ISPG 80 A generator. EROWA ITS head. C-axis. 6-electrode changer. Ppodjzd D Nhspfx Al Nou Dielectric fluid tank: 700 liters. Filtration system with 6 paper cartridges.

Condition: good (used), 2 used water-cooled spot welding machines Technical data: Max. welding output: 23.7 kVA Rated output at 50% duty cycle: 8 kVA Short-circuit current: 8.8 kA Open-circuit voltage in 4 steps: from 2 – 3.2 V Ppsdpfx Asy Naq Isl Nsu Electrode force: 17 – 235 daN Cooling water flow rate: 4 l/min Weight: 85 kg per machine Price: 550,-- EUR net per machine Siegfried Volz Werkzeugmaschinen Rüschebrinkstr. 151-153 DE - 44143 Dortmund - Wambel / Germany

Condition: new, The NEOMIG-i 500 G is a three-phase multiprocess welding machine with separate wire feeder. Its advanced digital technology and its duty cycle ensure excellent arc characteristics for industrial MIG/MAG applications. The integrated synergies facilitate setup and reduce spatter during welding. Equipped with the WF wire feeder, it offers a control precise welding parameters to ensure perfect quality. MULTI-PROCESS Psdpfx Aljmxkdpe Nspu MIG/MAG : - steel and stainless steel wire: Ø 0.6 to 1.6 mm - aluminum wire : Ø 0.8 to 1.6 mm - CuSi and CuAl wire : Ø 0.8 to 1.6 mm - flux-cored wire (reverse polarity) : Ø 0.9 to 2.4 mm MMA DC / Pulsed : basic, rutile and cellulosic electrodes. TIG DC Lift / Pulsed. Gouging.

Condition: new, With digital technology, the NEOPULSE 400 CW is a three-phase pulsed MIG / MAG generator for heavy industry. Mobile and equipped with a cooling unit and a high-performance unwinding system, the NEOPULSE 400 CW is ideal for tackling the most demanding applications. Intuitive and functional, its digital interface makes it possible to act on the welding parameters with ease. Pedpfx Alomxkgge Nepu MULTIPROCESS WELDING MIG/MAG : - steel and stainless steel wire: Ø 0.6 to 1.6 mm - aluminum wire : Ø 0.8 to 1.6 mm - CuSi and CuAl wire : Ø 0.8 to 1.6 mm - Flux-cored wire: Ø 0.9 to 2.4 mm MMA DC / Pulsed: basic, rutile and cellulosic electrodes (up to Ø 6 mm). TIG DC CONTACT / PULSED. Gouging (up to Ø 6.5 mm).

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2006, functionality: fully functional, Column-type spot welder PEI MOD. PBP 126 PX Year of manufacture: 2006 CE PEI POINT pneumatic spot welders are user-friendly and ideal for welding all types of metals. This machine is foot pedal operated with pneumatic drive and offers a maximum welding power of 25 kVA. The machine is also equipped with water-cooled electrode holder, electrodes, arms, and transformer. The upper arm is depth-adjustable and the lower arm is height-adjustable. Used • Pneumatic foot pedal operation Pedpow T Tlfjfx Al Nspu • Maximum welding power: 25 kVA • Maximum capacity: 2.0 mm • Electrode force: 165 dan • Throat/Arms: 580 mm • Depth-adjustable upper arm • Height-adjustable lower arm • Steel frame • 400 V, 50 Hz

Condition: new, Technical specifications: Two-phase mains voltage: 400 V. Mains frequency: 50/60 Hz. Maximum welding current: 9700 A. Maximum open-circuit voltage: 2.6 V. Maximum sheet thickness (2 sides): 3+3 mm. Maximum electrode force: 190 daN. Arm extension: 330 mm. Rated power X=50%: 22 kW. Rated power X=50%: 15 kW. Power factor: 0.7 (cosphi). Duty cycle: 15%. Dimensions: 79 – 32 – 128 cm. Ppjdpjhzg Ihsfx Al Nju Weight: 118 kg. Resistance spot welding machine (spot welder), column-mounted, with oscillating arm and digital microprocessor control. The multifunctional digital LCD panel allows operation in EASY mode (setting the current and welding time) and EXPERT mode (setting various welding parameters) with the possibility of saving up to 20 custom programs. Continuous and pulsed operation ensures excellent welds on various types of steel. Features: Adjustment of welding current (%), welding time (cycles), pressure, and electrode closing speed. Selection of various cycle parameters (approach time, ramp time, welding time, pause time, and number of pulses). Easy-to-read LCD display. Pneumatic operation. Thermal protection with indication. Airflow adjustment for slowing down the arm closing. This model requires water cooling for the electrodes and arms. INCLUDED: Arm L=350 mm. Standard straight electrode.

Condition: new, MIG/MAG – Pulsed MIG/MAG – TIG DC HF – Electrode Single-phase power supply 1x230V greenWave® inverter technology Integrated wire feed unit 9 innovative welding processes from Böhler Welding 3.5" color LCD control panel 220A at 35% (40 °C) Podpfxeyrfd Re Al Nspu 23.7 kg

Condition: refurbished (used), Year of construction: 2009, operating hours: 200 h, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: P.TE 1-350, total width: 700 mm, total length: 900 mm, total height: 600 mm, warranty duration: 12 months, length of welding knife: 500 mm, width of welding knife: 10 mm, High frequency welding machine THF producer, reviewed by Cebb HF Technology in 2026 35cm of arm 1,5KW of power Psdey Nkibepfx Al Nspu Welding electrode 500x10mm or 250x20mm Possibility of welding with small additional shaped electrodes Dimensions 700x900xH600 to be placed on top of a table original plexiglass shielding 12 months warranty

Condition: used, Spot Welding Machine DALEX Type SL 16 - 2 Machine No. ZZH/N-10183 Year of manufacture: approx. 2002 Rated power at 50% duty cycle: 16 KVA Maximum welding power: 50 KVA Max. throat depth: 500 mm Max. electrode force: 17 - 278 daN Electrode arm Ø 45 mm Electrode holder Ø 25 mm Arm spacing: 150 mm / 300 mm Operating pressure: 1–6 bar Psdey N Dukjpfx Al Nspu Open circuit voltage: up to 3.6 Volt Connected load: 37 kVA Mains connection: 400 Volt, 50 Hz - Weld control MPS 200-003 - Welding cycle triggered via electric foot switch - Water-cooled Required space (L x W x H): 1100 x 720 x 1450 mm Weight: 230 kg Very good condition

Condition: excellent (used), functionality: fully functional, input voltage: 230 V, ground cable length: 3,000 mm, warranty duration: 3 months, type of cooling: air, welding current (min.): 5 A, welding current (max.): 200 A, For sale: Cjays Tig 200 DC Pulse 5-200 AMP 230 Volt Gas-cooled 2/4 Step Pulse Pre gas / Post gas Up slope / Down slope Start current / End current Elektrode option Steel + Stainless Steel weldable test welding possible Including 4 Meter SR17 welding torch, earht work lead, gas cable, and 3 months warranty. Podjy Rqh Tjpfx Al Nspu Test welding is possible. A video of the machine in welding condition is possible. We also deliver to countries like Spain, Germany, Austria, Lithuania, Greece and all other countries inside and outside Europe with Euro pallets per freight. All our machines have been serviced and are 100% ready to use unless otherwise indicated. The pictures above show the real machine. We can also offer you other types of machines such as: Used, New, Mig, Mag, Co2, Tig, Pulse, AC/DC, Plasma, Water-cooled, Electrode, Brands we offer: OTC, Migatronic, Lincoln, Miller, Fronius, Kemppi, Parweld, Tico, Lorch, Rehm, Selco, Carl Cloos, Cebora, Esab, Saf, EWM, Ess, Kemper. You always do business with Cjays Lastechniek itself and never with third parties.