Used Lico Cnc Lathe for sale (11,609)

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2004, 569mm Swing, 419mm Max Turned Diameter, Lrjdpfx Aszzzh Njbyeu 640mm Between Centres, 10 Station Turret, 3500rpm 22KW Spindle, Fanuc I Control, 24m/minute rapids, 250mm Power Chuck , parts catcher, Tool setter, Low Volt Light

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2015, Okuma GENOS L200E-MY CNC Lathe Ljdpfxsy R A N Ao Abyoru Technical Data Manufacturer: Okuma Model: GENOS L200E-MY Control: OSP-P300L-R Voltage: 400 V Phases: 3 P Frequency: 50/60 Hz Connected load: 15.3 kVA Rated current: 25.6 A Short-circuit withstand capacity: 2.5 kA Max. turning diameter: Ø 200 mm Max. turning diameter x length: Ø 200 x 380 mm Swing over bed: Ø 450 mm Swing over cross slide: Ø 300 mm Workpiece weight (single-sided support): 120 kg Spindle diameter: Ø 100 mm Spindle nose: JIS A2-6 Spindle bore: Ø 66 mm Spindle speed range: stepless Spindle speed: 75 to 3000 rpm Number of tool stations: 12 Turret type: Multitasking V12 turret Tool holder, external turning tools: 20 x 20 mm Tool holder, internal turning tools: Ø 32 mm Rotating tool speed: 6000 rpm Travel (Z-axis): 400 mm Travel (X-axis): 165 mm Travel (Y-axis): 80 mm Feed range: 0.001 to 1000 mm/rev Rapid traverse Z-axis: 25000 mm/min Rapid traverse X-axis: 20000 mm/min Rapid traverse Y-axis: 10000 mm/min Tailstock quill diameter: Ø 55 mm Tailstock quill stroke: 80 mm Machine height: 2040 mm Footprint: 2120 x 1750 mm Machine weight: 4800 kg Year of manufacture: 2015 No guarantee is given for the correctness, completeness or up-to-dateness of the information provided.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2006, operating hours: 37,695 h, functionality: fully functional, Equipment: documentation/manual, CNC lathe – Gildemeister CTX 410 with C-axis (used) Machine data Model: Gildemeister CTX 410 Year of manufacture: 2006 Control system: Siemens 840D (ShopTurn) Spindle hours: approx. 37,695 h Max. spindle speed: 5,000 rpm Max. turning length: 635 mm Spindle bore: 65 mm Tool turret: 12-station Tool holder: VDI30 Condition: used, functional Accessories Chip conveyor with coolant pump Bar loader included, but never connected IFM oil mist extraction system Röhm 3-jaw chuck Maintenance / Service The machine was recently realigned by a DMG technician (turret and spindle). The following components were replaced: Door switch Foot pedal for chuck Various relays New NPU New PLC Location 24222 Schwentinetal Transport / Collection Collection only Lredpoz Nxcxsfx Abysu Transport and loading are to be arranged by the buyer Terms of sale Sale exclusively to businesses / entrepreneurs No sale to consumers Sale is made with exclusion of any warranty for defects No guarantee or warranty of suitability Inspection and functional testing possible by appointment Price net. VAT can be shown separately.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2016, functionality: fully functional, turning diameter over cross slide: 480 mm, turning length: 504 mm, turning diameter: 405 mm, spindle bore: 78 mm, spindle speed (max.): 4,500 rpm, travel distance X-axis: 245 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 540 mm, overall weight: 5,300 kg, Equipment: documentation/manual, CNC Lathe SMEC SL2500M TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS: • Date of manufacture: December 2016 • Max. turning length: 504 mm • Max. swing over bed: 650 mm • Max. swing over cross slide: 480 mm • Max. turning diameter: 405 mm • X-axis travel: 245 mm • Z-axis travel: 540 mm • CNC control: SIEMENS Sinumerik 828D • Max. spindle speed: 4 500 obr/min • Max. driven tool speed: 5 000 obr/min • Max. spindle bore diameter: 78 mm • Max. bar capacity: 67 mm • Slant bed (45° angle) • SCHUNK 3-jaw chuck • Tool turret: 12 stations (driven tools) • Machine weight: approx. 5 300 kg EQUIPMENT: Lodo Ad Iyhspfx Abyoru • AFS 600 filtration system • SUN KOREA SL2300 chip conveyor • Tailstock • Complete technical documentation The machine is in very good technical condition, connected to power and available for inspection and testing on site by prior appointment. Professional loading is included in the price. We can also assist with arranging transport within the EU (at an additional cost). Accessories, tools and clamping devices shown in the photos are included in the offer only if explicitly listed under equipment. Technical specifications are provided for reference only and may contain inaccuracies. The machine is subject to prior sale.

Condition: used, CNC turning machine MONFORTS Type RNC 300 MultiTurn with driven tools and Y-axis Year of manufacture 2005 Lrjdpfjzfau Aex Abysu CNC control FANUC Series 18i-TB Swinging diameter over bed 380 mm Spindle bore 67 mm Spindle speed 25 - 5000 rpm Tool turret 12 stations Tool holder, cylindrical VDI 30 mm Motor power, spindle drive 23 kW Total power consumption 41 kVA Mains connection 400 Volt, 50 Hz, 63 Amp. - hydrostatic guideways for the X, Y and Z axes - with tailstock, chuck and collet chuck - 3-jaw chuck SCHUNK ROTA NCD Ø 165 mm with a large number of chuck jaws - collet chuck HAINBUCH 65, without collets (only one collet as a sample) - 25 tool holders VDI 30 - 4 driven tools with collet ER 25 - chip conveyor with integrated coolant system - approx. 20,000 operating hours Footprint of the machine with chip conveyor L x W x H approx. 4100 x 2600 x 2100 mm Footprint of the base machine L x W x H 3000 x 2400 x 2100 mm Weight approx. 6 tons very good condition

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2024, functionality: fully functional, spindle bore: 65 mm, spindle speed (max.): 3,000 rpm, spindle nose: A2-6, Drive spindle Speed: 3,000 rpm Lsdpfx Ajup Slbsbysru Power: 11 kW Torque: 320 Nm Chuck diameter: 260 mm Spindle bore: 65 mm Spindle nose: A2-6" Working area Center distance: 1,500 mm Center height: 290 mm Diameter over bed: 570 mm Diameter over slide: 510 mm Tool system Turret: PARAT 4-station turret head RD 3 Tailstock Technology: Manual Center: MK-4 (flying) Equipment Chip management: Chip tray Coolant supply: Coolant pump 7 bar

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2008, turning diameter 246 mm turning length 445 mm control Siemens 840D spindle speed 6.000 U/min rapid traverse Z-axis 30 m/min Ledpfxsz St N Ee Abysru rapid traverse X-axis 24 m/min tailstock travel 450 mm max. weight between the centers 110 kg total power requirement 24 kVA weight of the machine ca. 3,95 t dimensions of the machine ca. 3,05 x 1,65 x 1,75 m CTX 310: - Powered tools with C-axis - Tailstock Working area: - Machine bed length: 1,625 mm - Center height: 365 mm Tailstock: - Max. tailstock force: 400 daN Tool holders: - Number of tools: 12 - Tool holder: VDI 30

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2012, Description Specification Manufacturer TATUNG-OKUMA Model GENOS L300E-M Manufacturing Date 30 January 2012 Serial Number PEA258 CNC Control OKUMA OSP P200LA-R MCS3 Machine Type CNC Turning Centre with Driven Tools CE Declaration of Conformity Available Tool Turret 12 Stations Tailstock Included Parts Catcher Listed in machine documentation Bar Feeder Interface Listed in machine documentation 2. Machining Capacity Description Specification Maximum Turning Diameter Ø300 mm Maximum Turning Length 1,060 mm Maximum Swing Over Bed Ø520 mm X-Axis Travel 235 mm Z-Axis Travel 1,144 mm Main Spindle Speed 30–3,000 rpm Spindle Nose A2-8 Main Spindle Motor Power 11 / 7.5 kW (30 min / continuous) 3. Turret and Driven Tools Lredpfsz Nyvtjx Abyou Description Specification Tool Turret 12 Stations Turret Type M-V12 Driven Tool Capability Yes Driven Tool Speed 45–4,500 rpm Driven Tool Motor Power 7 / 3.3 kW C-Axis 360° C-Axis Indexing Resolution 0.001° 4. Equipment and Features - OKUMA OSP P200LA-R CNC control system - 12-station tool turret - Driven tooling capability for milling and drilling operations - C-axis positioning - Tailstock - Parts catcher (indicated in documentation)

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2012, CNC turning/milling center Spinner Type/Model TC 600 52 Control Siemens Sinumerik 840D sl; with SHOPTURN Condition Used Year of manufacture 2012 Technical data Max. swing diameter 600 mm Max. turning diameter 400 mm Max. turning length 650 mm Travel X/Y 275 mm / 700 mm Max. rapid traverse X/Z 15 / 24 Turning spindle Max. speed 5,000 rpm Chuck size 210 mm Ledez H If Njpfx Abysru Spindle power 18 kW Max. torque 113 Nm Spindle nose A6 Max. bar diameter 52 mm Turret Tool positions 16 Tool holder VDI 30 / DIN 69880 Tailstock taper MT 4 Machine dimensions (L x W x H) approx. 2500 x 1600 x 2000 mm Machine weight approx. approx. 5,000 kg Equipment / Features Tool measuring arm Power chuck SMW Autoblok BH-D 210-52-3-A06 including jaw sets Chip conveyor TC600 Enlarged, L-shaped coolant tank, approx. 180 liters with centrifugal pump 50 l/min; 3.3 bar Foot switch for CNC tailstock Inquiry item: Transportation costs in a separate quote.

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2005, functionality: unexamined, turning length: 750 mm, turning diameter: 400 mm, spindle speed (max.): 4,200 rpm, spindle motor power: 22,000 W, swing diameter over bed slide: 630 mm, center width: 550 mm, The Saeilo Contur TSL 500 is a used slant-bed lathe, manufactured in 2005 by Trens in Slovakia (Type SBL 500 CNC). It features a 12-position turret with 6 powered stations and a Siemens Sinumerik 810D control system. An identical TSL 500 from 2006 is available at the same location in the Düsseldorf area. Anyone looking for two identical machines for a manufacturing cell can acquire both together. TECHNICAL DATA - Year of manufacture: 2005 - Control system: Siemens Sinumerik 810D - Swing diameter: 630 mm - Turning diameter: 400 mm - Maximum turning length: 750 mm - Distance between centers: 550 mm - Turret: 12-position, with 6 powered stations - Main drive: 22 kW, max. 4,200 rpm EQUIPMENT AND ACCESSORIES - Tsubaki chip conveyor with cable carrier (SRF 040) - Tool holders, stocked - Turning and clamping tools CONDITION During our inspection on October 1, 2026, the machine was not in operation. We are therefore selling it as untested, in its current condition. We recommend an on-site inspection. Lrsdpfxsz H Ufvo Abysu AREAS OF APPLICATION Suitable for shafts, flanges, and housing components up to 400 mm in diameter, including drilling and milling operations. LOCATION AND PROCEDURE The machine is located in the Düsseldorf area. Inspection is possible by appointment. The buyer is responsible for dismantling, loading, and transport; upon request, we can provide contact details for local transport companies. Price on request. Please feel free to contact us via the contact form.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 1997, Control Fanuc Series 20-T Turning diameter 330 mm Bar diameter 42 mm Turning length 650 mm Speed 5,000 min-1 8-position turret Lrjdpj Adl N Hjfx Abyju Minimum quantity lubrication

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2007, turning length: 395 mm, turning diameter: 190 mm, travel distance X-axis: 162 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 60 mm, travel distance Z-axis: 450 mm, overall weight: 6,700 kg, spindle nose: VDI 30, CNC Lathe Manufacturer: TAKAMAZ Model: XY-1000 Year of manufacture: 2007 Control system: FANUC Series 18i-TB Technical data: - Max. turning diameter: 190 mm - Turning length: 395 mm - X-axis: 162 mm - Y-axis: 60 mm - Z-axis: 450 mm - Spindle speed - main spindle: 5,000 rpm Lrodpezp Ry Rsfx Abysu - Spindle speed - counter spindle: 5,000 rpm - Number of tool positions: 2 x 12 - Tool holder: VDI 30 - Machine weight: approx. 6,700 kg Condition: Used 2 machines available. Price per unit. Technical features & accessories: - Bar loader Accessories, tools, and workholding devices shown are included in the scope of delivery only if specified in the additional information. Subject to technical changes, errors, and prior sale.

Condition: ready for operation (used), Year of construction: 1999, functionality: fully functional, machine/vehicle number: 01190000341, No minimum price – guaranteed sale to the highest bidder! Submitting a bid obligates you to collect the machine within the period from November 16 to November 26. TECHNICAL DETAILS General Information Machine number: 01190000341 Operating hours: 57,730 h Control system: Heidenhain CNC Pilot Electrical Data Operating voltage: 400 V Frequency: 50 Hz Connected load: 58 kVA Rated current: 100 A Working Area Turning length: 1,000 mm Maximum diameter over the machine bed cover: 680 mm Maximum diameter over the guide cover: 455 mm Cross travel: 320 mm Longitudinal travel: 1,097 mm Main Spindle Spindle diameter: 220 mm Spindle head diameter at the front bearing: 140 mm Spindle bore: 107 mm Chuck diameter: 400 / 500 mm Speed range: 4–2,800 rpm C-axis Speed: max. 100 rpm Feed and Rapid Traverse Feed force X-axis: 8 kN Feed force Z-axis: 15 kN Rapid traverse X: 24 m/min Rapid traverse Z: 30 m/min Tool Turret Tool turret: 12-station Clamping Device Ljdpez Uwzwsfx Abyoru 3-jaw chuck: Forkardt Chuck diameter: 300 mm EQUIPMENT 12-station tool turret Tool holders in the tool turret 3-jaw chuck by Forkardt Work table Documentation Chip conveyor Extraction system

Condition: used, Control: FANUC 0i-TD YOM: 2014 B-axis Max: 830° X-axis Travel: 243 mm Y-axis Travel: 50 mm Z-axis Travel: 740 mm Chuck Dia 10” Max. Workpiece Diameter: 350 mm Spindle Speed: 4000 RPM Max. Bar passage: Ø 64 mm Tool turret: 12 positions Tool attachment: bmt-65 Ljdpfx Ajzy Iqusbyoru Sub Spindle chuck Dia 6” Sub spindle speed: 6–6000 rpm Spindle nose: a2-8 Sub spindle nose: a2-5 Complete with swarf conveyor Machine Depth: 2080 mm Machine Weight: 9600 kg

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2022, functionality: fully functional, CNC turning machine Okuma LU 3000 EX-M2SC 1000 Control system: OSP-P300LA Year of manufacture: 2022 Internal machine number: 66 Turning length: 1,000 mm Turning diameter: 340 mm Spindle speed: 5 - 5,000 rpm Tool shank: VDI 40 2 tool turrets A-turret: 12 tool positions / all positions powered B-turret: 8 tool positions - Tailstock - Hinged-belt chip conveyor - 3-jaw chuck Kitagawa B-212 Z220, bore in the chuck Ø 91 mm - Touch setter - One Touch IGF - Handwheel on the control panel Lrjdpezwl Aiofx Abyou - Tool monitoring system - Reinforced coolant pump, 8 bar

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2010, CNC lathe ECOCA MT-208MC 750 YEAR OF MANUFACTURE: 2010 CONTROL: Sinumerik 828D Technical data: Work area * Swing diameter over bed: 525 mm * Swing diameter over cross slide: 384 mm * Max. turning diameter: 250 mm * Max. machining length: 750 mm * X-axis travel: 175 mm * Z-axis travel: 537 / 787 mm Main spindle * Spindle speed: 750–4,800 rpm * Spindle bore: ASA A2-6 * Spindle bore: Ø 62 mm * Draw tube diameter: Ø 52 mm * Front spindle bearing: Ø 100 mm * Spindle taper: 1:20 * Chuck size: 8 inches * Spindle motor: 7.5 / 9 kW * Optional, according to manufacturer: 9 / 11 kW Axes * X-axis motor: 1.6 kW * Z-axis motor: 3.0 kW * Rapid traverse X-axis: 24 / 20 m/min * Rapid traverse Z-axis: 24 / 20 m/min * Guides: Linear / flat guides (depending on the model) Tool turret * Powered servo turret Baruffaldi * Tool stations: 12 * Tool holder: VDI * Max. outer turning tool: 20 mm * Drilling bar diameter: Ø 40 mm Tailstock * Quill diameter: Ø 58 mm * Quill stroke: 88 mm * Tailstock travel: 415 / 665 mm Lsdez Hl Eaopfx Abyeru * Quill holder: MK4

Condition: excellent (used), operating hours: 8,640 h, Maximum height 260 mm Turning length 600 mm Max. swing diameter over bed 400 mm Max. swing diameter over cross slide 225 mm Cross travel 260 mm Longitudinal travel 660 mm Spindle head DIN Size 140 h5 Spindle bore 68 mm Speed range 25 – 4000 rpm Feed rate range, longitudinal and cross 0.5 – 5000 mm/min Rapid traverse, longitudinal and cross 9 m/min Tailstock taper MK 4 Tailstock quill travel 100 mm Main drive 22 kW Dimensions L x W x H approx. 3600 x 1720 x 1650 mm Lrodpfjz Icuzex Abyeu Weight 3200 kg Accessories / Special features: • CNC control GILDEMEISTER EPL 2 • Electronic handwheel • RS 232 interface • Hydraulic 3-jaw chuck, diameter 200 mm • 12-station tool turret, manufacturer SAUTER, internal coolant supply, VDI 30, mounting bore Ø 30 mm, DIN 69880 • Articulated chip conveyor with coolant system • Electr. foot switch for hydraulic 3-jaw chuck and hydraulic tailstock quill • Various tool holders • Lighting Siegfried Volz Werkzeugmaschinen Rüschebrinkstr. 151-153 DE - 44143 Dortmund - Wambel / Germany

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2009, functionality: fully functional, CNC turning center Okuma LU 45 M -3000 Control: OSP-P200L Year of manufacture: 2009 Internal machine number: 81 Max. turning diameter: 660 mm Max. turning length: 3,000 mm Spindle bore: Ø 260 mm Spindle speed: 2,800 rpm Travel distances: Lrodsz Rl H Hjpfx Abyou X-axis: 420 mm Z-axis: 3,025 mm Spindle power: 30 kW Accessories - Chip conveyor - Tool turret with 12 stations - Tools

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2010, operating hours: 5,750 h, functionality: fully functional, turning length: 393 mm, turning diameter: 200 mm, spindle bore: 51 mm, MSX 853 cnc control 3-jaw chuck diameter 210mm 12-fold revolver C-axis driven tools tail stock Lrsdpfx Aozd S S Rsbysu coolant device chip conveyor Technische Daten: / technical details Drehdurchmesser / turning diameter 200 mm Drehlänge / turning lenght 393 mm X-Weg / X-travel 160 mm Z-Weg / Z-travel 450 mm max. Drehzahl Spindel / max. spindle speed 50-3000 UpM /rpm Eilgang X/Z / rapid feed X/Z 24/30 Anzahl der Revolverplätze / number of tool places 12 max. Stangendurchmesser / max. bar diameter 51 mm Antriebsleistung Spindel / drive capacity spindle 13,5 kW Gewicht ca. / weight ca. 3500 kg Technische Daten, Zubehör und Beschreibung der Maschine sind unverbindlich - Technical data, accessories and description of the machine are not binding.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2008, turning length: 3,000 mm, spindle bore: 155 mm, spindle motor power: 51,000 W, total height: 3,200 mm, total length: 9,500 mm, total width: 3,200 mm, turning diameter over bed slide: 1,420 mm, workpiece weight (max.): 5,000 kg, overall weight: 16,000 kg, Make: Krewema Type: HFDM 55 Control: SIEMENS 840D YOP: 2008 Lrsdpfxsz R Rdmj Abyju 4 chuck 1600 mm 4 chuck   900 mm 3 chuck   630 mm ( bore 310) Sauter 8 position revolver Vdi 60 tool system Internal coolant tool holder Radial live tool holder Axial live tool holder Chip conveyor double  Internal coolant tool holder Swing over bed Ø: 1420mm Swing over cross slide Ø:920mm Swing in the gap Ø: 2050mm DBC Turning Length: 3000/4000mm Gap length: 1000mm Spindle bore: 155mm Spindle power: 51kW Bed width: 750mm Tailstock spindle Ø: 160Ø Stroke pinole: 300mm Workpiece weight: 5000 Speeds / ranges: 1200Rpm Feed rate X-Axis: 8000mm/min. Feed rate Z-Axis: 6000mm/min. Length: 9500mm Width: 3200mm Height: 3200mm Weight: 16000kg Please Note: The information on this page has been obtained to the best of our ability and belief, and from the manufacturers where possible. It is given in good faith, but its accuracy can not be guaranteed. Accordingly, it will not form a representation or constitute contractual terms. We advise you to check any vital details!

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2006, spindle speed (max.): 5,000 rpm, spindle bore: 65 mm, total width: 1,990 mm, total length: 4,500 mm, total height: 2,300 mm, travel distance X-axis: 165 mm, travel distance Y-axis: 80 mm, overall weight: 9,000 kg, Gildemeister Sprint 65 Linear - CNC Lathe (with 2nd spindle, 3 turrets and Y-axis) Technical details: Spindle bore diameter 65 mm Spindle speed 5.000 R/min Spindle motor 25/20 kW Spindle speed counter spindle 5.000 R/min X-axis movement 165 / 165 / 165 Y-axis movement 80 mm Z-axis movement 220 / 150 / 650 mm Ledpfs Aawvwex Abyeru W-axis movement (subspindle to mainspindle) 690 mm C-axis indexing 0,0001° Number of turret 3 Number of tools on turret 12 (3x 12) Tool taper VDI 30 Bar feeder LNS Quick Load Servo 65 If you have any questions concerning the machine, please do not hesitate to contact us by phone or e-mail. Feel free to view our other advertisements for a complete overview of our stock.

Condition: excellent (used), Year of construction: 2013, functionality: fully functional, spindle bore: 56 mm, spindle speed (max.): 4,000 rpm, overall weight: 1,450 kg, For sale is a high-precision, cycle-controlled lathe, a WEILER CONDOR VC plus, manufactured in 2013. The machine is in fully functional and extremely well-maintained condition and comes with a very extensive set of accessories (pictures of the machine in use are included). Technical data & equipment: Manufacturer / Model: WEILER CONDOR VC plus Year of manufacture: 2013 Center height: 180 mm Distance between centers: 800 mm Swing over bed: 360 mm Spindle bore: Ø 56 mm Spindle speed: continuously variable up to 4,000 rpm Operating voltage: 400 V Connected load: 12.5 kVA Machine weight: approx. 1,450 kg Digital display / control: WEILER VC plus screen electronics Accessories & scope of delivery (as shown in the pictures): - 1x steady rest (fixed rest) - Extensive Multifix quick-change tool holder set Lsdpoz Dwtwsfx Abyoru - Large selection of chuck jaws (hard & soft) - Three-jaw chuck mounted - Splash guard / protective cover Upon request, transport and loading can be arranged throughout Europe for an additional fee. Prices plus VAT. Inspection is possible by appointment. Contact us, our team will be happy to assist you. Trade-in or exchange possible! Machine purchase / sale BUYING / SELLING PRODUCTION & METALWORKING MACHINES, ETC. Do you need a high-quality but affordable metalworking machine for your production? Or do you want to sell yours? For more information or contact options, please visit our website.

Condition: used, 4 Axis Year Of Manufacture: 1998 8” Chuck 2 Turrets – Turret 1 – 12 Stations Turret 2 – 8 Stations Programable Tailstock 750mm Between Centres Live Tooling C Axis Touch setter Y axis Swarf Conveyor Okuma OSP 7000L Control Lsdpfxjy Drune Abysru

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 1995, CNC turning machine WEILER UD 24 CNC, CNC Bosch CC300, bar feeder. Ledpfx Absz R R D Ejyeru

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2019, Smec Revolver, unused, BMT 55. Lrsdszw Uz Iopfx Abyou