Used Kms Cs6250C/1500 for sale (12,582)

Condition: used, mileage: 329,319 km, power: 162 kW (220.26 HP), first registration: 04/2014, fuel type: diesel, empty load weight: 6,180 kg, maximum load weight: 5,810 kg, overall weight: 11,990 kg, axle configuration: 4x2, wheelbase: 5,400 mm, next inspection (TÜV): 11/2025, brakes: engine braking, color: white, driver cabin: day cab, gearing type: mechanical, emission class: euro5, suspension: steel, number of seats: 2, loading space length: 7,100 mm, loading space width: 2,450 mm, loading space height: 2,300 mm, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, cabin, central locking, compressed air brake, differential lock, immobilizer system, onboard computer, power assisted steering, seat heater, soot filter, spoiler, tail-lift, traction control, * German vehicle * 1st owner * Full service history (dealer maintained) * Condition as shown in photos * Body: Tarpaulin frame with sliding curtain left side * Loading platform: Length 7,100 mm x Width 2,450 mm x Height 2,300 mm * Aluminum loading flaps * Central stanchions * Wooden floor * Dautel tail lift * Type: DL 1500L * Load capacity: 1,500 kg * Foot switch * Roll-off protection * Cab with 2 seats * Air conditioning * Multifunction steering wheel * Cruise control * Comfort driver’s seat, air-suspended * Seat heating * Air suspension raise/lower * ABS and ASR * Roof hatch * Electric windows * Electrically adjustable, heated mirrors * Manual transmission * Central locking with remote * Differential lock * Spoiler * Hands-free system * Daytime running lights * Sun visor * Wheelbase: 5,400 mm * Gross vehicle weight: 11,990 kg * Curb weight: 6,180 kg * Payload: 5,810 kg If a new TÜV inspection is required, we are happy to provide an offer from our partner workshops. Our offer is generally WITHOUT new TÜV inspection, without new DGUV, without new SP, and without new UVV. You can find more trucks on our homepage at We speak the following languages: German, English, Polish, Turkish Note: We offer and highly recommend viewing and inspecting the goods to avoid any misconceptions about the condition and suitability. Viewing and inspections are possible at any time by appointment and are expressly desired. Gujdpfx Aijxtfx No Nec All information is provided without guarantee. No liability is accepted for errors or incorrect information in the offer. The buyer is obligated to independently verify the condition and equipment of the goods/vehicles. Subject to changes, prior sale and errors.

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), The Numturn 500/1500 FA is a precision CNC Flat Bed Lathe designed for a wide range of applications, making it an excellent choice for the CNC Flat Bed Lathes category. With a robust construction featuring heavy ribbing of the machine frame and wide hardened V-guides, this lathe is engineered for heavy-duty machining. The Fagor 8055i control enhances your workshop programming experience, while the automatic 8-station servo-driven tool turret significantly increases productivity and flexibility for both single part and small batch production of larger workpieces. Its hydraulic power chuck offers adjustable holding force, and the heavy-duty tailstock provides high clamping force for secure machining. The completely lockable enclosure and smart central lubrication system contribute to a low-maintenance operation, allowing for more efficient workflows. KNUTH leads the way in reliability and performance, so if you're looking for a CNC Flat Bed Lathe that delivers robust construction and precise functionalities, you can request a quote today. Gsdpfjm E Ty Nex Ai Njuc

Condition: as good as new (ex-display), The Numturn S 560/1500 is a state-of-the-art CNC Flat Bed Lathe designed for the Lathes category, offering high performance for large workpieces. This machine boasts a robust box-way design that ensures maximum precision while facilitating heavy machining tasks. Its powerful Siemens servo motor drives the main spindle through a 4-step transmission, allowing for infinitely variable spindle speeds and high torque across various speeds. Equipped with an 8-station VDI tool changer, the Numturn S 560/1500 maximizes productivity and flexibility in operations. The user-friendly Siemens 828D control enables quick setup through two electronic hand-wheels, resembling manual lathe operation for enhanced user experience. With a hydraulic tailstock featuring high clamping force and a reliable automatic central lubrication system, maintenance is efficient and straightforward. For those looking to enhance their productivity, the Numturn S 560/1500 represents an excellent solution in CNC Flat Bed Lathes. To learn more about this machine or to request a quote, don’t hesitate to contact us. Gsdpfeuyg Erox Ai Neuc

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2007, machine/vehicle number: 720050, Offer 26083 Gsdpfx Aijzc Iyco Neuc Technical data: - Center height / Distance between centers 210 / 1500 mm - Maximum turning diameter over the bed / over the cross slide 420 / 270 mm - Maximum turning diameter with gap bed 640 mm - Length of the bed bridge approx. 270 mm - Spindle bore 58 mm - Taper of the tailstock quill MK 5 - Travel of the tailstock quill 180 mm - Spindle speeds 45 - 1800 rpm - Feeds: - Longitudinal 0.031 - 1.70 mm/rev - Cross 0.14 - 0.784 mm/rev - Travel of the top slide 128 mm - Travel of the cross slide 285 mm - Metric thread pitches - Inch threads - Drive 400 V / 7.5 kW - Including: - Tailstock, 3-jaw chuck, quick-change tool holder, - Digital display - Space requirement approx. W 2850 x H 1500 x D 1200 mm - Weight approx. 2000 kg

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2014, total width: 2,500 mm, total length: 5,000 mm, total height: 2,500 mm, Empty weight: 2.500 kg Filter-area: 228m2 Capacity: 15.000 m3/h - Year: 2014 - Documentation available: No - CE marking present: Yes - CE certificate present: No - Serial number: 22653 - Control type: Herding MP 12 - Motor power: 55.0kW - Transport dimensions: 5000mm x 2500mm x 2500mm (l x w x h) - Transport weight [kg]: 2500kg - Transport packages [pcs.]: 6 Gjdpfjwrr Htox Ai Neuc Financial information VAT: The price shown is exclusive of VAT VAT/margin: VAT deductible for entrepreneurs Delivery and trade-in always possible for everything in the industrial sectors Lukas van Rossum

Condition: used, Year of construction: 2015, functionality: fully functional, 2 PCS ON STOCK 2015 AND 2013 YOM. Heavy-duty pallet decoiler with integrated precision straightening head, designed to feed coiled strip material into stamping lines and other downstream processing. The large 1500 mm rotating table handles full pallet-mounted coils up to 3000 kg, while the 9-roll straightener (5 lower driven + 4 upper) ensures a flat, stress-relieved strip ready for production. Both turntable and straightener are independently driven via frequency inverters, allowing precise speed and tension control. Ideal for stamping operations where coil material is delivered on pallets rather than mandrels — eliminating the need for separate coil cars and reducing changeover time. Technical Specifications Table diameter 1500 mm Table load capacity 3000 kg Max. table rotation speed 10 rpm Strip speed 10 m/min (at core Ø 300 mm) Stamping direction Left to right Winding direction CW or CCW (selectable) Max. strip thickness 1.5 mm Max. strip width 220 mm Turntable drive motor 2.2 kW, inverter-controlled Turntable bearing Four-point bearing Straightener head 9 rolls (5 lower + 4 upper) Roll diameter 40 mm Lower rolls All driven Straightener drive motor 0.75 kW, inverter-controlled Electrical connection 3×400V + N + PE, 50 Hz, 16 A Dimensions (L × W × H) 2250 × 1500 × 1700 mm Weight ~750 kg Godszav Ngjpfx Ai Neuc Paint finish RAL 7035 light grey, structured

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2016, operating hours: 330 h, fuel type: diesel, mileage: 61,290 km, Citroën Jumper 2.2HDI access platform 12.5m, 61,000 km, 2016. A video can be sent via WhatsApp. Ongoing stock, see website. Prices are ex Nuland. Van de Wert Trading B.V. has a varying stock of machines, trucks, trailers and attachments. All our deliveries are at trade prices in AS-IS condition without warranties. (see our general terms and conditions) You can make a non-binding appointment for a viewing and/or test drive. Please call in advance as we are not always present. Van de Wert Trading B.V. Bedrijfsstraat 3 Guedpfxeyr Dfts Ai Noc 5391 LR Nuland

Condition: used, mileage: 315,000 km, power: 162 kW (220.26 HP), fuel type: diesel, axle configuration: 4x2, wheelbase: 5,550 mm, fuel: diesel, brakes: engine braking, color: white, emission class: euro6, suspension: steel-air, number of seats: 2, total length: 9,850 mm, total width: 2,550 mm, total height: 3,150 mm, loading space length: 8,000 mm, loading space width: 2,500 mm, loading space height: 2,100 mm, Year of construction: 2020, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, central locking, cruise control, electric window regulation, power mirror, tail-lift, traction control, General information Number of doors: 2 Year of manufacture: 2020 Technical information Number of cylinders: 4 Engine capacity: 4.580 cc Front axle: Steering; Tyre profile left: 40%; Tyre profile right: 40% Rear axle: Double wheels; Tyre profile left inner: 80%; Tyre profile left outer: 80%; Tyre profile right outer: 80%; Tyre profile right outer: 80% Weights Empty weight: 6.815 kg Carrying capacity: 5.175 kg GVW: 11.990 kg Functional Tail lift: Palfinger, tail lift, 1499 kg = Additional options and accessories = - Binding rails 2 x - Camera system - Heavy duty engine brake - Line assist Gujdpfxeyx Hd Hj Ai Noc - Lock diff - Outside temperature display - Radio - Rear air suspension - Reversing camera - Spare wheel - Suspension seat

Condition: used, mileage: 272,000 km, power: 213 kW (289.60 HP), fuel type: diesel, axle configuration: 4x2, fuel: diesel, color: white, driver cabin: day cab, gearing type: automatic, emission class: euro6, suspension: steel-air, loading space length: 7,300 mm, loading space width: 2,500 mm, loading space height: 2,550 mm, Year of construction: 2021, Equipment: ABS, air conditioning, central locking, cruise control, electric window regulation, power mirror, spoiler, tail-lift, Year of manufacture: 2021 Front axle: Steering; Tyre profile left: 30%; Tyre profile right: 30%; Suspension: leaf suspension Rear axle: Double wheels; Tyre profile left inner: 30%; Tyre profile left outer: 30%; Tyre profile right outer: 30%; Tyre profile right outer: 30%; Suspension: air suspension Empty weight: 8.410 kg Carrying capacity: 10.590 kg GVW: 19.000 kg Tail lift: BAR, 1500 kg Registration number: BB-210-V = Additional options and accessories = - Coupling Ringfeder - LED- lighting Guedpfxoyzx Uvs Ai Nec - Lock diff - Outside temperature display - Radio/CD player - Roof spoiler - Visor

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2006, Working height: 1500 mm Open-top machine Gsdozc Hr Djpfx Ai Nsuc Machine includes all necessary components. Working direction: From left to right Working height (glass support height): 750 mm Width of the machine: 5900 mm Max. height: 2840 mm Depth: 1400 mm Condition: good, second-hand

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, saw band length 3660 x 27 x 0,9 mm cutting width 0,9 mm total power requirement 1,5 kW / 300 Nm weight of the machine ca. 1200 kg dimensions of the machine ca. 1400 x 1900 x 1900 mm The GERD WOLFF KMS 280 V is a precision band saw with servo drive that has been specially developed for consistently precise cutting of round material from 10- 135 mm diameter. Capacity for round material (mm) diameter 10 mm 276 pieces are possible diameter 20 mm 78 pieces are possible diameter 30 mm 36 pieces are possible diameter 40mm 21 pieces are possible diameter 50mm 15 pieces are possible diameter 60mm 6 pieces are possible diameter 70mm 3 pieces are possible diameter 80 mm 3 pieces are possible Gjdsy S Drzjpfx Ai Nsuc diameter 90 mm to 135 mm 1 piece is possible Feed length in one piece: 780 mm

Condition: new, plate width 2000 mm plate depth 1500 mm plate height 310 mm weight 2385 kg dimensions of the machine ca. 2000 x 1500 x 300 m Clamping plates - T-slot plates - panel array Gsdjy S Dupepfx Ai Nsuc 2000 x 1500 x 310 mm If you have not found the size you are looking for, you can also send us an e-mail with the completed PDF form. With this we can to have an individually manufactured panel made for you. Number of grooves: 5 edge distance: 135mm groove spacing: 270mm Groove width: 28mm Casting quality HT250 Flatness less than 0.12 mm Surface machined according to DIN 876/III

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2024, load capacity: 1,500 kg, total length: 2,400 mm, total width: 1,200 mm, Perforated table 1200 x 2400 x 200mm thickness of the table top 20 mm, diameter of the holes 28 mm with wireless remote control Swivel range 360° Height adjustment Hydraulic motor 800 to 1200mm Speed 0.5 rpm Motor power 0.75 KW We offer the tables in many sizes and load capacities: Load capacity 500 Kg, dimensions 1000mm x 1500mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 1000 kg, dimensions 1000 mm x 2000 mm x 200 mm, 28 mm hole with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 1500 kg, dimensions 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, 28 mm hole with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 2000 kg, dimensions 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, 28 mm hole with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 3000 kg, dimensions 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, 28 mm hole with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 5000 kg, dimensions 1500mm x 3000mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with manual or automatic height adjustment Gusdpst U Rccofx Ai Njc

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2024, load capacity: 1,500 kg, Ideal for welded constructions, fixture construction, welding templates Special price promotion €2000 discount 3-D perforated table 2400 x 1200 x 200 mm Thickness of the table top 20 mm, diameter of the holes 28 mm, grid 100 mm Pivoting range 360° Height adjustment hydraulic motor 800 to 1200 mm Lifting movement hydraulic, rotation movement 360° Control with hand remote control Speed 0.5 rpm Hydraulic motor AC 2.2 KW Current AC 380 V Motor power 0.75 KW Price includes offered perforated plate 2400 x 1200 x 200 mm Price includes accessories shown, surcharge €2000 Gusdovlplzepfx Ai Nec We offer the tables in many sizes and load capacities: Load capacity 500 Kg, dimensions 1000mm x 1500mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 1000 Kg, dimensions 1000mm x 2000mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 1500 Kg, dimensions 1200mm x 2400mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 2000 Kg, dimensions 1200mm x 2400mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 3000 Kg, dimensions 1200mm x 2400mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 5000 Kg, dimensions 1500mm x 3000mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with height adjustment manually or automatically

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, functionality: fully functional, load capacity: 1,500 kg, Perforated Table 1200 x 2400 x 200 mm Tabletop thickness: 20 mm, borehole diameter: 28 mm Includes wireless remote control Swivel range: 360° Height adjustment: Hydraulic motor, 800 to 1200 mm Rotation speed: 0.5 rpm Motor power: 0.75 kW Gusdpex Thyrefx Ai Nsc We offer tables in various sizes and load capacities: - Load capacity 500 kg, dimensions: 1000 mm x 1500 mm x 200 mm, borehole 28 mm, height adjustment manual or automatic - Load capacity 1000 kg, dimensions: 1000 mm x 2000 mm x 200 mm, borehole 28 mm, height adjustment manual or automatic - Load capacity 1500 kg, dimensions: 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, borehole 28 mm, height adjustment manual or automatic - Load capacity 2000 kg, dimensions: 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, borehole 28 mm, height adjustment manual or automatic - Load capacity 3000 kg, dimensions: 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, borehole 28 mm, height adjustment manual or automatic - Load capacity 5000 kg, dimensions: 1500 mm x 3000 mm x 200 mm, borehole 28 mm, height adjustment manual or automatic

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2025, load capacity: 1,500 kg, Perforated Table 1200 x 2400 x 200 mm Tabletop thickness: 20 mm, hole diameter: 28 mm Swivel range: 360° Height adjustment: Hydraulic motor, 800 to 1200 mm Rotation speed: 0.5 rpm Guodpfex Th Sbex Ai Njc Motor power: 0.75 kW We offer tables in various sizes and load capacities: Fodpz Aer Uft Deq A Tepb Load capacity 500 kg, dimensions 1000 mm x 1500 mm x 200 mm, borehole 28 mm, with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 1000 kg, dimensions 1000 mm x 2000 mm x 200 mm, borehole 28 mm, with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 1500 kg, dimensions 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, borehole 28 mm, with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 2000 kg, dimensions 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, borehole 28 mm, with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 3000 kg, dimensions 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, borehole 28 mm, with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 5000 kg, dimensions 1500 mm x 3000 mm x 200 mm, borehole 28 mm, with manual or automatic height adjustment

Condition: like new (used), functionality: fully functional, load capacity: 1,500 kg, Equipment: foot remote control, Römheld welding positioner with 1500 kg load capacity and very large clamping plate, in excellent condition. Equipped with foot remote control. Infinitely variable speed control. Plate: 1500 x 1500 mm. Height at vertical plate to center: 760 mm. Height at horizontal plate: 960 mm. Length: 1300 mm. Guedpfoyli Elsx Ai Njc Width: 1100 mm.

Condition: new, Heli forklift 1.5 t, 80V, incl. charger, new, special price Lifting height: 3 m Gedpfxoyk Hv Eo Ai Nouc Side shifter Side shifter, operating hours: 6 h We are selling the forklift because we have three of them, so one is surplus. Price negotiable.

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2024, load capacity: 1,500 kg, Special price promotion 2000.-€ discount Perforated table 1200 x 2400 x 200mm Thickness of the table top 20 mm, diameter of the holes 28 mm Swivel range 360 Height adjustment Hydraulic motor 800 to 1200mm Speed 0.5 rpm Motor power 0.75 KW We offer the tables in many sizes and load capacities: Load capacity 500 Kg, dimensions 1000mm x 1500mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 1000 kg, dimensions 1000mm x 2000mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 1500 kg, dimensions 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, 28 mm hole with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 2000 kg, dimensions 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, 28 mm hole with manual or automatic height adjustment Godpfeuua Inex Ai Nsuc Load capacity 3000 kg, dimensions 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, 28 mm hole with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 5000 kg, dimensions 1500mm x 3000mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with manual or automatic height adjustment

Condition: new, Year of construction: 2024, load capacity: 1,500 kg, Perforated table 1200 x 2400 x 200mm Thickness of the table top 20 mm, diameter of the holes 28 mm Guedpfxor Uft De Ai Njc Swivel range 360° Height adjustment Hydraulic motor 800 to 1200mm Speed 0.5 rpm Motor power 0.75 KW We offer the tables in many sizes and load capacities: Load capacity 500 Kg, dimensions 1000mm x 1500mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 1000 kg, dimensions 1000 mm x 2000 mm x 200 mm, 28 mm hole with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 1500 kg, dimensions 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, 28 mm hole with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 2000 kg, dimensions 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, 28 mm hole with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 3000 kg, dimensions 1200 mm x 2400 mm x 200 mm, 28 mm hole with manual or automatic height adjustment Load capacity 5000 kg, dimensions 1500mm x 3000mm x 200mm, bore 28mm with manual or automatic height adjustment

Condition: like new (used), load capacity: 1,500 kg, The Siegmund M-Positioner is perfectly suited for welding, assembly, and maintenance work. Positioning is achieved via a manually operated handwheel. Positioner with load capacities up to 1,500 kg. Torque: 900 Nm Handwheel with handle, Ø 315 mm U-angle compatibility: System 28 Maximum U-angle length: 3,000 mm A – Working height: 850 mm Gedpfx Aox Th H Esi Neuc B – Column height: 955 mm C – Total height: 1,140 mm D – Base plate width: 600 mm E – Base plate length: 600 mm Price does not include 3-D accessories. Prices for 3-D accessories, heavy cast parts with 28 mm wall thickness, all newly machined special prices: Original angle bracket 28, U-shape, 500 mm x 200 mm x 200 mm (surcharge €500) or 2,000 mm x 200 mm x 200 mm (surcharge approx. €1,000) or 2,400 mm x 200 mm x 200 mm (surcharge €1,300) or with tabletop, 28 mm grid holes, 2,000 mm x 1,000 mm x 200 mm (surcharge €2,000) Multiple positioners available.

Condition: like new (used), Year of construction: 2022, functionality: fully functional, load capacity: 1,500 kg, The Siegmund M positioner is ideal for welding, assembly and maintenance work. Positioning is carried out using a manually driven handwheel. Positioner with load capacities of up to 1,500 kg. Torque 900 Nm Handwheel with handle Ø 315 mm U-angle compatibility System 28 Max. length of U-angle 3,000 mm A - Working height 850 mm B - Column height 955 mm C - Total height 1,140 mm D - Width of base plate 600 mm E - Length of base plate Gusdevlgzaspfx Ai Noc 600 mm Price does not include 3D accessories. Prices 3-D accessories, heavy cast parts, wall thickness 28mm, everything processed, special prices New: original angle 28 U-shape 500mm x 200mm x 200mm (surcharge 500.-€) or 2000mm x 200mm x 200mm (surcharge approx. 1000.-€) or 2400mm x 200mm x 200mm (surcharge 1300.-€) or with table top 28 hole, 2000mm x 1000mm x 200mm (surcharge 2000.-€) several positioners are available

Condition: good (used), functionality: fully functional, load capacity: 1,500 kg, 3-axis PEMA welding positioner APS 1500 - stepless height adjustment - includes handheld remote control - maximum load 15,000 N - 1,500 kg - rotation speed 0.07 - 1.3 rpm - rotation torque 1,000 Nm - hydraulic tilting up to 135° - tilting moment 3,000 N - max welding current 700 A - table diameter 700 mm - height 780 - 1,550 mm - dimensions 1,640 x 810 mm - connection 3 x 400 V / CEE 16A - weight 730 kg Gujdpfsxxv Rtex Ai Nsc We have several of these tables available

Condition: good (used), Year of construction: 2022, functionality: fully functional, load capacity: 1,500 kg, 3D perforated table 2000 x 1000 x 200mm, grid 100mm, plate thickness 20mm, hole diameter 28mm, table top flat machined, very solid weight approx. 750 kg The Siegmund M positioner is ideal for welding, assembly and maintenance work. Positioning is carried out using a manually driven handwheel. Positioner with load capacities of up to 1,500 kg. Guodpfx Aievlx Hbo Njc Torque 900 Nm Handwheel with handle Ø 315 mm U-angle compatibility System 28 Max. length U-angle 3,000 mm A - Working height 850 mm B - Column height 955 mm C - Total height 1,140 mm D - Width of base plate 600 mm E - Length of base plate 600 mm Price includes table top with feet, but without 3D accessory clamping devices.

Condition: used, mileage: 1,001 km, first registration: 01/1986, empty load weight: 80 kg, color: orange, driver cabin: other, gearing type: other, Year of construction: 1986, load capacity: 1,500 kg, Equipment: crane, Vehicle location: Bovenden, Guedexcyvzjpfx Ai Nec ACCESSORIES WITHOUT WARRANTY, subject to alterations, prior sale and errors excepted! - .